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[Sirus]

This is a pretty big deal, right?

[Jawdrop]

Look at the poll at the bottom, too. A full half of the country supports gay marriage, assuming the poll is accurate. Who says there's no progress? 

[Truean]

This is a pretty big deal, right?

[Jawdrop]

Look at the poll at the bottom, too. A full half of the country supports gay marriage, assuming the poll is accurate. Who says there's no progress? 

.... It's a BBC link. British Broadcasting Company. I somehow doubt Americans who oppose gay marriage and vote that way show up in that. Honestly. I somehow picture that demographic watching Fox News.

[Sirus]

This is a pretty big deal, right?

[Jawdrop]

Look at the poll at the bottom, too. A full half of the country supports gay marriage, assuming the poll is accurate. Who says there's no progress? 

.... It's a BBC link. British Broadcasting Company. I somehow doubt Americans who oppose gay marriage and vote that way show up in that. Honestly. I somehow picture that demographic watching Fox News.

A Gallup poll on Tuesday suggested that 50% of Americans were in favour of legalising gay marriage - a slightly lower proportion than last year - while 48% said they would oppose such a move.

Nope, looks like an American-run poll asking Americans. The BBC is just reporting it.

Edit: Fixed some linkage fail 

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Obama not being a spineless loser on something.

I....I.....holy shit.

[Truean]

This is a pretty big deal, right?

[Jawdrop]

Look at the poll at the bottom, too. A full half of the country supports gay marriage, assuming the poll is accurate. Who says there's no progress? 

.... It's a BBC link. British Broadcasting Company. I somehow doubt Americans who oppose gay marriage and vote that way show up in that. Honestly. I somehow picture that demographic watching Fox News.

[urlhttp://www.gallup.com/poll/154529/Half-Americans-Support-Legal-Gay-Marriage.aspx]A Gallup poll[/url] on Tuesday suggested that 50% of Americans were in favour of legalising gay marriage - a slightly lower proportion than last year - while 48% said they would oppose such a move.

Nope, looks like an American-run poll asking Americans. The BBC is just reporting it.

You have to admit; it isn't entirely unreasonable to question the accuracy of that or any poll saying Americans are supporting gay marriage though. My longstanding position is that people say one thing and do another, especially when the thing they say is "I support gay marriage." I find it a lot like how everybody says they're for racial equality, including the racists out there. There are very few racists alive today who are dumb enough to stand up in court and actually say they hate black people, for no other reason than they know if they do, they lose the case and pay money for it.

Hell, I've had the displeasure of representing racist landlords in court. They get up on that stand and they're better at lookin' like they're boy scouts than some criminals I've defended.

[shrugs] Please notice the pile of salt on the table. Everyone should feel free to take what I said and a grain of that salt to go with it, because it's entirely possible I'll never think people are fully accepting of gays.

Now if you want American news coverage of this I submit Yahoo.com: http://gma.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html And I recommend you don't look at the comments saying this has sealed his fate to lose the reelection. "By Rick Klein | ABC OTUS News – 1 hour 37 minutes ago"

[Sirus]

*shrug*

Pass that metaphorical pile of salt this way. It's generally safe to assume that any Yahoo! comments section is full of trolls trolling each other.

[Truean]

*shrug*

Pass that metaphorical pile of salt this way. It's generally safe to assume that any Yahoo! comments section is full of trolls trolling each other.

Arguably valid point. Let's see if this becomes the distraction they need to let the student loan interest rate double....

[Pnx]

It's a political move. He knows he's lost a lot of support from his core liberal demographic, so he's trying to regain support by supporting gay marriage.

I'm not sure this was actually a sound move for him from a purely strategical perspective.

Of course, I'm actually very happy the president is supporting gay marriage, it was about damn time.

[Moghjubar]

This is a pretty big deal, right?

Big enough for me: he finally came out and said it.

Worth my donation to his campaign at least (just made one after seeing that).

[palsch]

Nate Silver on the poll numbers. Also, graph;

Somewhat related, Shep Smith saying Republicans are on the wrong side of history on Fox News.

I have a window open to register as an overseas voter again this year. This is the push that might make me track down my social security number.

[RedKing]

ROFL...based on the font size on FOX News, you'd think he just declared war.

[Jervill]

Well, many social conservatives still think they're fighting a "culture war".

[RedKing]

It's going to be the mother of all ironies if the GOP tries to turn the November election into a culture war referendum, and it winds up being the culture wars that gets Obama re-elected, when the economy alone could have gotten Romney a shot at the White House.

Because seriously...how many points do the GOP stand to shave off Obama's numbers with this? 1%? 2%? I mean, not a lot of anti-gay supporters over in Big Blue.

And how many points can you potentially add from disenchanted Dems suddenly having a cause to get fired up about?

I'm suddenly getting this delicious whiff of a strategic blunder by the Republican Party.

[RedKing]

Oh, and thanks to George Takei, here's the headline that was on FOXNation (FOX News' forum section) before it got yanked:



Guess I was more right than I knew.

[palsch]

It's going to be the mother of all ironies if the GOP tries to turn the November election into a culture war referendum, and it winds up being the culture wars that gets Obama re-elected, when the economy alone could have gotten Romney a shot at the White House.

Because seriously...how many points do the GOP stand to shave off Obama's numbers with this? 1%? 2%? I mean, not a lot of anti-gay supporters over in Big Blue.

And how many points can you potentially add from disenchanted Dems suddenly having a cause to get fired up about?

I'm suddenly getting this delicious whiff of a strategic blunder by the Republican Party.

Relevant numbers;

The one point it could hurt him on are black evangelicals. Losing the increased black turnout that was seen in 2008 could be a problem, especially if this doesn't serve to fire up the main body of the party enough. Unfortunately I can't find any breakdowns by race of those Gallup numbers. I'm also not sure what the exact breakdown of parties was like (usually about 30/30/40 R/D/I, but with marginally more Dems and Dem leaners right now).