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Author Topic: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread  (Read 1291810 times)

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10140 on: June 07, 2015, 06:22:31 am »

Actually, I think Hitler and the Nazis understood that quite well. They wanted their people to strive towards the ideal and help one another, and they wanted other cultures and races to do the same in their own countries, and not in Germany. Hitler and Leon Degrelle have certainly said as much.
This is patently wrong in several ways:
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2) The entire Nazi ideology was a condensation of everything that Nietzsche considered base and detestable: It was reactive*, vulgar, gregarious**, slavish, and fueled by poisonous ressentiment – a picture-perfect example of butt-hurt "slaves" (Germans) rebelling against successful "priests" (Jews).
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** How could one possibly reconcile autonomous master-morality with a morality of the masses? – that's prima facie wrong.[/sub]
Especially that one. The whole idea of having a collective of Übermenschen is completely ridiculous if you look at what Nietzsche thought an Übermensch should be. For an Übermensch there just is no collective.

I feel physical pain every time people act like if you read Mein Kampf, you're literally Hitler.

I mean, okay, according to possibly unreliable online anecdotes, the book is kinda shippy in modern day standard, but just reading Hitler's manifesto isn't going to turn you into a Nazi. It's not the Necronomicon.
There was this guy in Germany - a comedian, and Turkish even, I believe - who went around doing public readings of Mein Kampf. As part of his routine, but also separately in schools and such. And apparently one of the intended consequences was for the audience to realize that the book is a) badly written and b) horribly boring. It was demystification at its best.
Yeah, I heard of that one. Sadly I didn't hear it when I had the chance. Now I am just too lazy to care enough to read it or listen to someone else reading it.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10141 on: June 07, 2015, 01:38:54 pm »

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« Reply #10142 on: June 07, 2015, 07:08:52 pm »

DOHOHOHOHOHO~

I remember once, where an Anon joked that California and New York were in a race to be the most progressively authoritarian and progressive, so hard, that the only hope for the rest of the world was that both states detached from the USA and sunk beneath the ocean. The jokes usually revolved around the police making it illegal for you to film the police while they sprayed you with bullets and all that jazz (which is unfortunately, now true - ironically however, years after the jokes, California passed a law protecting people who filmed police), but the keks in reality prove it too stronk and even worse than bants.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10143 on: June 07, 2015, 07:12:28 pm »

http://www.upi.com/Science_News/2015/06/07/Sword-wielding-robot-beats-Japanese-master-samurai/2991433692865/

We're pretty much screwed, and they're clapping like it's good. We're actually teaching them how to fight, essentially, or leaning in that direction. I don't understand anything. The world I thought I knew is gone, and it's only going to get worse.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10144 on: June 07, 2015, 07:13:44 pm »

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« Reply #10145 on: June 07, 2015, 07:16:10 pm »

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Meh... we have many more imminent worries than robot rebellion.  I thought that video was neat.  The cinematic presentation, especially.
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« Reply #10146 on: June 07, 2015, 07:21:42 pm »

i,  for one, welcome our new fruit slicing overlords
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« Reply #10147 on: June 07, 2015, 07:26:23 pm »

This actually looks pretty cool, and I trust that in a world with guns in it swordfighting will probably not be what kills us. Although possibly robot soldiers is what it would take to make it competitive if, for some reason, teaching them to use guns is off the table.

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10148 on: June 07, 2015, 07:41:01 pm »

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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10149 on: June 07, 2015, 07:41:11 pm »

O, I'm aware that the real threat will ome from unmanned drones with guns on them. Cheaper than human officers, and when they shoot someone, it's a "software malfuntion." No pesky homiide trials. And remember, it's not murder; it's an industrial accident. We're being replaced. All this right wing talk of "hard work" and "bootstraps" won't matter when the robots beome more ost effetive than third world slave labor minus the shipping costs and PR problems.

It will be called productivity and we will be called pathetic. Wonderful.

Meanwhile we might be srewed over by other things long before that point, so there's that to look forward to. Yaaaaaay.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10150 on: June 07, 2015, 07:59:24 pm »

I can't help but froth with rage just a little bit every time the subject of automation eliminating the need for work is brought up in a negative context.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10151 on: June 07, 2015, 09:34:07 pm »

It is negative unless we can fix the whole "You need to work in order to not starve," problem.

Once we get rid of the need for people to do make-work in order to deserve life, then it'll be positive in all respects. As it is, it's just most respects. :V
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« Reply #10152 on: June 07, 2015, 09:38:22 pm »

And that is what makes me froth.  It's so fucking stupid!  The moment you hit the very idea that the lack of a negative thing that we are actively working to eliminate also makes the system cease to function should also be the moment it is drastically re-evaluated.  That this is not happening in any meaningful fashion makes me froth.
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Re: Calm and Cool Progressive Discussion Thread
« Reply #10153 on: June 07, 2015, 10:46:51 pm »

I feel physical pain every time people act like if you read Mein Kampf, you're literally Hitler.

I mean, okay, according to possibly unreliable online anecdotes, the book is kinda shippy in modern day standard, but just reading Hitler's manifesto isn't going to turn you into a Nazi. It's not the Necronomicon.
There was this guy in Germany - a comedian, and Turkish even, I believe - who went around doing public readings of Mein Kampf. As part of his routine, but also separately in schools and such. And apparently one of the intended consequences was for the audience to realize that the book is a) badly written and b) horribly boring. It was demystification at its best.
Yeah, that's the point I was making. Why can't we read Mein Kampf ironically instead of demonizing people who read it?
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« Reply #10154 on: June 07, 2015, 10:56:30 pm »

Either you're not using ironically correctly, or you're being too internet.
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