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[Vanigo]

Waiting on those turns, guys...

[Azthor]

Would you mind if I were to post mine tomorrow? I scheduled a reunion early in the morning and would like to think this turn a bit more throughly.

Random question #2: if reinforcements arrive amidst an opponent's attempt at conquering a tile of yours, do your reinforcements enjoy terrain bonuses, do the enemies get them instead or do none get them?

[Vanigo]

I guess it's not a big deal.

Enemy units in your territory can benefit from terrain bonuses, but not from city walls. (This may lead to tactics involving dodging around enemy armies and stopping on hills and mountains in the hopes of getting attacked; if this proves to be a problem, I'll change it. That's what testing is for, after all.)

[Vanigo]

Okay, I've set up a different map for lemon10 and NUKE9.13. Added a new resource and some things to do with it, too.

Map here

[lemon10]

Interesting.
Here is my turn.

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<playerturn player="lemon10">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="3" y="9">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="1" y="10"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="2" y="11"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="2" y="9"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders/>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

[quinnr]

Here are my orders...

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<playerturn player="Quinnr">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="8" y="8">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="rUnit" cityid="0">
      <unittype code="bRam"/>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

[Azthor]

Under revision.

[Vanigo]

And Nirur wins the coin flip.

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Nirur Toria:

7 food used to gain 1 free population
Tile (3,5) claimed
Horse Pasture built at (4,8)
Road built at (3,6)
Nirur Toria army 0 moves to (3,7)

Quinland:

8 food used to gain 1 free population
Farm built at (8,8)
Battering Ram raised in Quinland Capitol


Azthoria:

9 food used to gain 1 free population
City Settlement built at (4,3)
Claim (3,5) failed: Already claimed by Nirur Toria

Game state

[Vanigo]

You know, I'd better figure out what happens if you build a unit while a hostile army is at the gates. As it stands, I'm pretty sure it'll break the game.
What do people think, immediate battle, or just disallow it? I'm tempted to disallow it; the way I've structured the backend poses some difficulties for an immediate battle. On the other hand, it would be a good way to discourage tiny raiding forces sneaking in and taking cities.

[lemon10]

How about giving the new unit a severe penalty (eg. starts with half health, doesn't get any defending benifits, lower attack+defense for the turn) for being thrown together on the fly, but allowing it?

[Vanigo]

Well, the real problem with letting them be built isn't game balance. The problem is that I've designed the game with the underlying assumption that there will never be units owned by more than one player in any given square, and it would be nontrivial to build a way for a newly-built unit to fight existing armies in the same square.

[NUKE9.13]

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<playerturn player="Nuke9.13">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bImp" x="11" y="4">
      <improvement code="farm"/>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="10" y="2"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="9" y="3"/>
    <tileorder type="tClaim" x="12" y="2"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="1"/>
    <cityorder type="rnCity" cityid="1">
      <cityname>SILO ONE</cityname>
    </cityorder>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

I'm not sure how this all works- but could you make it so that a city with 3 or more population take a turn to 'enter', forcing enemy units to be directly adjacent before walking in? That'd prevent raiding parties from taking capitals, by giving folks a chance to recruit units. And then disallow recruitment when enemy units are in a city.
(size two cities should not be able to stop the enemy in their tracks)

Or, something along the lines of civilization five (horrible game); have every city have a free garrison unit.

[Azthor]

Well, if recruitment takes place before invasions, a fight should ensue, if it is the other way around, the production should be immeadiatly disabled by the enemy's forces, altogether ignoring the unit under production.

Losing that coin flip puts me at significant disadvantage and opting for the 2nd of the two options above would only worsen my situation, thus, I am obviously partial towards the first. In fact, wheter I turn the table or get brutally annexed seems to depend entirely on that; I placed my city the last turn hoping for the later. That aside, you might wish to define what happens if a city is conquered in a turn where its population was changed: do the populational changes take places before conquest or is it the other way around?

Can a city's population be increased by two units in a turn or are we intentionally restricted to a 1 unit change/turn basis?

Here is my turn:

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<playerturn player="Azthor">
  <tileorders/>
  <cityorders>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="3"/>
    <cityorder type="addPop" cityid="2"/>
  </cityorders>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders/>
</playerturn>

[Nirur Torir]

I don't usually give advice to people I'm at war with, but you might want to upgrade your capital instead of claiming more land. (No, I didn't peek until just before posting.)

The Orders button on the main UI does nothing.
It seems like cities should get free roads, but that might just be because I'm used to Civ.
I like Nuke's idea. The problem is nicely solved if armies require their full movement points to enter cities.
Are enemy roads usable? Unclaimed roads?
Building two roads in one turn appears to cost three labor. Building seven roads costs eight labor. I would like a road at (4,7) if this is an unintended bug.

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<playerturn player="Nirur Torir">
  <tileorders>
    <tileorder type="bCity" x="3" y="5">
      <cityname>New Gettysburg
New Gettysburg</cityname>
    </tileorder>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="3" y="9"/>
    <tileorder type="bRoad" x="4" y="7"/>
  </tileorders>
  <cityorders/>
  <armyorgorders/>
  <armyorders>
    <armyorder type="mArmy" armyid="0" x="3" y="7">
      <step dx="0" dy="-1"/>
      <step dx="1" dy="-1"/>
    </armyorder>
  </armyorders>
</playerturn>

[Vanigo]

Game 2 update:

Oops. I seem to have left one little asymmetry in the map. Lemon, that mountain tile you claimed was supposed to be hills. If this changes what you wanted to do, let me know.

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Puerto Limon:

Farm built at (3,9)
Tile (1,10) claimed
Tile (2,11) claimed
Tile (2,9) claimed


Nukatopia:

Farm built at (11,4)
Tile (10,2) claimed
Tile (9,3) claimed
Tile (12,2) claimed
Nukopolis grows to size 4
Nukopolis renamed to SILO ONE

Game state