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Author Topic: Can anybody who speaks Chinese/any character based or tonal language help me out  (Read 5664 times)

Max White

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石室诗士施氏,嗜狮,誓食十字狮。
氏时时适市视狮。
十时,适十字狮适市。
是时,适施。氏适市。
氏视是十狮,恃矢势,使什么十字狮逝世。
氏拾是十狮尸,适石室。
石室湿,氏使侍拭石室。
石室拭,氏始试食是十字狮。
食时,始识是十字狮,实十字石狮尸。
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Let's play a game, it is called "Type something in one language, then run it through google translate into another, and see how close it managed to get. My bet is, not at all...


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Shishi Shi-Shi-Shi's, addicted to lion oath food cross-lion.
's Always appropriate to the City, as the lion.
10, appropriate cross lion appropriate city.
Yes, the fitness facilities. S appropriate city.
S as the 10 lions, rely vector potential, so that what Cross Lion's death.
S pick is the ten lions dead, fitness room made of stone.
Shishi wet,'s Shi Shi Shishi.
Shishi Shi's start tasting Cross lion.
Food the beginning of knowledge is a cross lion real Cross lions dead.
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Melagius

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I was too lazy to wait for a reply so I enabled both the first and third option. It works pretty well, but i'll have to memorize the characters or find software to be able to type the accents more easily or bind them to keys. I would like it if next to the character, it would display if it was a up, down, upside-down carrot, or straight and on which letter, but i suppose this is not made for people learning Chinese :p

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« Last Edit: February 28, 2012, 07:30:43 pm by Melagius »
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Sir Finkus

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You know, I'm starting to wonder how a roguelike that used ascii + Chinese characters would turn out.  You could potentially have a lot more information on the screen at once.  Dogs aren't 'd', but '犬' so you don't get it confused with '竜'.  Could be interesting.  I may have to try that, although I wouldn't look forward to the various character encoding issues I'd be bound to run into.

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Remember that many Chinese words are compound words; if you were trying to represent, say, a lobster, it'd likely be identical to either a dragon or a prawn, IIRC.
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Blossom of orange
Shit, nothing rhymes with orange
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Hey look, free EXP and a feed! I'll just go and OH GOD WHY CAN IT BREATH FIRE?!?!?!

RedKing

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这是什么? 不错。

If you made that up yourself, kudos. I can hardly put together simple sentences at my level.
Hardly. It's a well known nonsense poem/tongue-twister composed entirely of the word shi with different tones and meaning (albeit, in Classical Chinese instead of modern)

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In a stone den was a poet called Shi, who was a lion addict, and had resolved to eat ten lions.
He often went to the market to look for lions.
At ten o'clock, ten lions had just arrived at the market.
At that time, Shi had just arrived at the market.
He saw those ten lions, and using his trusty arrows, caused the ten lions to die.
He brought the corpses of the ten lions to the stone den.
The stone den was damp. He asked his servants to wipe it.
After the stone den was wiped, he tried to eat those ten lions.
When he ate, he realized that these ten lions were in fact ten stone lion corpses.
Try to explain this matter.
« Last Edit: February 29, 2012, 09:00:51 am by RedKing »
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Remember that many Chinese words are compound words; if you were trying to represent, say, a lobster, it'd likely be identical to either a dragon or a prawn, IIRC.

Although many modern words are compounds, you can often find some archaic variant back from when people only used one character per concept that you can conveniently substitute.

While we're talking about making a game, this might also be a subtle way to learn Chinese.
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Sir Finkus

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Remember that many Chinese words are compound words; if you were trying to represent, say, a lobster, it'd likely be identical to either a dragon or a prawn, IIRC.
Well yeah, it obviously wouldn't work for everything, but it'd probably still be a great deal more descriptive than latin characters where you really don't get any meaning at all.  It would also allow for more pictographic tiles and greater variety in general without needing to resort to colors.

Just a random brainstorm.

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While we're talking about making a game, this might also be a subtle way to learn Chinese.
I thought about this too.  Most of the trouble in learning characters for a lot of people is telling similar ones apart.  Being able to say "oh, that's the one that means donkey, and that one means goblin" would help a lot, even if they weren't the real meanings.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2012, 05:26:09 am by Sir Finkus »
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RedKing

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So, something like this?:

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....我.................
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The intrepid adventurer and his trusty hound confront a fearsome red dragon, which stands between them and their goal: the legendary Sword of Heaven!   :D


If I were any kind of programmer, that'd be a fun as hell project to try. Maybe a roguelike where you play the Monkey King, going from a pitiful little thieving monkey to the ultimate badass.
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League of Legends II: Monkey Adventures: Wukong Strikes back
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RedKing

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If LoL Wukong had a powerset based on the traditional depiction in Journey to the West, he'd be an ultimate carry. He single-handedly defeats the combined forces of the Jade Emperor (Heaven) and the 10,000 Hells. The only thing in all of existence that can even contain him is Buddha.
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Sir Finkus

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So, something like this?:

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....我.................
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The intrepid adventurer and his trusty hound confront a fearsome red dragon, which stands between them and their goal: the legendary Sword of Heaven!   :D


If I were any kind of programmer, that'd be a fun as hell project to try. Maybe a roguelike where you play the Monkey King, going from a pitiful little thieving monkey to the ultimate badass.
Yeah, that would be pretty awesome.  I was thinking about using something similar for a project I'm working on, but it looks most of libraries I can find aren't designed to work with proper character sets.  Libtcod may work, but making a CJK tileset and then mapping everything would be extremely tedious.

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Yeah, spacing is definitely an issue. If you look at my example, the periods don't line up correctly if there's a character in the line. For that font, characters appear to be 3-4 "characters" wide. I'd think there might be a standard Unicode block font out there that you could use to standarize the character dimensions, but honestly I've never seen anyone do a Unicode roguelike period, much less with hanzi.
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Sir Finkus

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Yeah, spacing is definitely an issue. If you look at my example, the periods don't line up correctly if there's a character in the line. For that font, characters appear to be 3-4 "characters" wide. I'd think there might be a standard Unicode block font out there that you could use to standarize the character dimensions, but honestly I've never seen anyone do a Unicode roguelike period, much less with hanzi.
Well there is jnethack, but I don't think that counts.  Oh, and it adds this:
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Because why not
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