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[Neonivek]

They arn't that tough Bootyhunter.

Mind you they are stupidly lucky. They cannot actually peirce your armor or hurt you in anyway normally, but they have soo many critical chances that they are likely to instantly disable you within a few attacks even with full armor, skills, and attributes.

Combined with the fact that they are extremely fast (I never gen characters who don't have maxed out agility, otherwise would be suicidal), and dodge easily... their only weakness is their "pathetic weakness" to being tackled (which works a bit too well given they can dodge everything else).

Also bombzero there is one weakness to their description. Every other night creature other then boogeymen are pathetically easy.

[squishynoob]

That's why I ALWAYS turn them off on world gen. Thank God Toady that now we can keep other night creatures and turn off bogeymen.
They're tiny enough that you can bite them in half yet they can cave your head in with a punch - before or after they've chipped your toes and made you pass out from the pain. Also, why they never attack you when you have a companion, even one unarmed peasant that has never fought before? While they always, every night, attack you if you're alone, no matter how powerful you are.

The chance should be greatly reduced, first of all. So that you don't know if you will be attacked or not, and keep that as a "surprise" once it happens, so to speak.

Then I believe, they should attack even if you're not on your own. It doesn't make much sense right now.
Also, some items or rituals to (hopefully) ward them off would add to the flavor.

[EnigmaticHat]

I have mixed feelings about boogeyman.  They add a bunch to the game in terms of requiring you to plan ahead and adding an element risk and strategy.  But when they actually do come, they're really annoying and it feels like a cheap death (not to mention if you are faster than them, holding down the move button for an hour /= entertaining)

Although I don't actually play minecraft, that's the best comparison I can think of.  There's that enemy that is perfectly peaceful until you look directly at at, then stares right at you and then teleports to your position if you look away at all.  The fight itself isn't what makes them interesting or scary, its the constant effort to avoid being attacked that makes the creepy.

Basically, the threat of boogeyman > the boogeyman themselves.  My guess is they will be really improved when the lighting arc comes around, but for now I always gen worlds with less than a hundred years history so that there'll be soldiers to recruit.  Also remember that soldiers appear in normal towns, and that followers can swim small rivers...usually.

[Ascimator]

For me boogeymen are some annoying thing that makes you either run all the way to the nearest town without fast travel or die being ambushed by that one who respawned behind the tree and chipped your toe. Night ambushes by packs of beasts would be enough.

[bombzero]

one thing...

this is from current dev page.

Ability to jump up on and ride opponents if they are large enough (can happen to you too of course)

(can happen to you too of course)

you too of course

....fuck

[Aachen]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

one thing...

this is from current dev page.

Ability to jump up on and ride opponents if they are large enough (can happen to you too of course)

(can happen to you too of course)

you too of course

....fuck

Next: L4D Total Conversion

[bombzero]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

one thing...

this is from current dev page.

Ability to jump up on and ride opponents if they are large enough (can happen to you too of course)

(can happen to you too of course)

you too of course

....fuck

Next: L4D Total Conversion

nice... anyways imagine fighting BCs

[Ascimator]

God of War anyone?

You lean a bronze colossus to the left!
A bronze colossus falls over.

You pull a bronze colossus at yourself!
The bronze colossus falls over you!
*breaking bones announces x20*

[Glanzor]

Two things:

1) The inclusion of bogeyman  made the game a lot more fun for me. Now I actually have a reason to care about nightfall, now I actually try to stay near villages and cities as much as possible ... It made the gameworld seem more alive, bigger and actually less gamey, and this is a major improvement in my book.

2) Once my adventurers leave the badits-and-night-creature-spouse-phase of the game, they are almost always strong enough to beat a pack of bogeymen if they have to, and I always play as either a hero or peasant. I hate to say that, but I think you are just not good enough yet if you have too much trouble with them.

[GreatWyrmGold]

There is a good anti-bogey strategy I've heard of: Chop off its limbs. Evidently, if you land a good hit on them, it can be relatively easy to chop off legs or even bisect them. Although they dodge a lot...That should probably be toned down some.

[bombzero]

yeah, it's not that they are hard per say, but that they are 100% garunteed to attack you.

while yes, i like the concept of dark creatures in the night, but i don't like the 100% attack rate, id be in favor of maybe an 90% chance of getting attacked in a night. so when yo get by unscathed you really do feel lucky.

[Neonivek]

I'd rather it drop to 10% at highest. Possibly depending on the phases of the moon (full moon being no attacks, new moon being 50%)

There are so many reasons to fear the night without the boogeymen (ambushes are nasty).

[bombzero]

i missed the part where dwarf fortress had to be easy...

they are supposed to be scary, you are supposed to not want to travel alone, DF is NOT another fantasy game, and it is NOT designed to feature favorable consequences.
their will be unwinnable battles.
their will be unfair consequences.
their will be no 'easy' way out.

[Spish]

Bogeymen actually make the game easier, IMO. Winning a fight against them early on gains your adventurer about 6 levels in fighting, which gives you a huge boon versus bandits. And win I always do.

[thvaz]

I don't lose a adventurer to a bogeyman since 31.17, not because I fight them, but I rarely encounter them. You have to plan ahead, do not travel alone if you are going too far away from places to stay at night. And if they come, just run and attack if they get too close. They usually dodge back, giving time for you to run away.