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Wait for the next release. I want usable mugs damn it!

55 (71.4%)

We can use the current one. I like the big trees and slightly smarter dorfs.

17 (22.1%)

I'll take .34.11 thanks. I want to know I'll get to kill things for sure.

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Total Members Voted: 77

[TheBiggerFish]

No, leave it in, that's really quite cool.

[Nakéen]

@ Frog :
After doing some testing, it seems the NOFEAR token conflict with the INTELLIGENT token.
As an early countermeasure, I suggest adding PRONE_TO_RAGE:100 to Degenerates, this will make them deadly, yes, but at least they will never flee.

I will try to fiddle with values to see if making them prone to liking fighting will help.

@ Splint:
When should we approximatively expect the official launch of SBII ?

[Mr Frog]

@ Frog :
After doing some testing, it seems the NOFEAR token conflict with the INTELLIGENT token.

Of course. 9_9  The INTELLIGENT token seems to have a bunch of issues with it this version; I remember seeing something on the bugtracker about how INTELLIGENT creatures would never use interactions with the FLEE hint (ironically).

(eye roll was not directed at you btw, I'm just a bit vexed that the two would conflict, lol)

[Nakéen]

Dont worry, I didn't understand the eyeroll any other way. I too, eyeroll a lot when modding 9_9

[Mr Frog]

Dont worry, I didn't understand the eyeroll any other way. I too, eyeroll a lot when modding 9_9

I find it's usually best to keep things completely-unambiguous when communicating in a purely text-based format. It's so easy to misinterpret things if you're going into it with a bad mindset (I probably would have interpreted the eye roll as some kind of personal attack). It just keeps things more civil.

[Nakéen]

Dont worry, I didn't understand the eyeroll any other way. I too, eyeroll a lot when modding 9_9

I find it's usually best to keep things completely-unambiguous when communicating in a purely text-based format. It's so easy to misinterpret things if you're going into it with a bad mindset (I probably would have interpreted the eye roll as some kind of personal attack). It just keeps things more civil.

Yeah, better safe than sorry is a valuable motto with text-based communication.
By the way, did you take the time to try the mod ?

[Mr Frog]

No tbh. I'm really really bad at this game and rely primarily on machines for defense, so any data I gathered would not be applicable to most players, and I'm not really personally invested in Spearbreakers anymore and don't really want to sink hours and hours into playtesting like I did last time. Hope that's okay with everyone :/  I sort of figured that as long as someone was playing it that'd be enough to catch any major bugs or oddities (which it was).

E: Okay, yeah, the strikethrough bit is just me being salty that my modding skills aren't really up to snuff anymore, lol. I still didn't really feel like playtesting everything myself when I barely am acquainted with how vanilla DF works anymore.

[Nakéen]

Ah no worry, I can understand ! I just wanted to see if you playtested as a matter of curiosity, nothing more. (of course, more information is always welcome during the testing phase :p)

To give you an idea, this is the first mod I really playtest. I created one personal mod and helped on the Lolmod, but didn't playtest any of them. I don't know, kinda didn't feel like it even after pouring hours into raw modding.

Concerning your modding skills, they may be rusty but they are still really valuable, I mean it. You already did a lot, no need to force yourself.

Thinking about it, I hope I'm not putting pressure on anyone with my "investment". Don't want people to feel obligated to do something they don't feel like to. :x

EDIT: Degenerate related.
I didn't make the change yet, but I looked up into the raws of generated werebeasts to verify my claims on personality.
You know how werebeasts never flee despite having CAN_SPEAK and CAN_LEARN right ? They have some values on their personality that I think affect their behavior. Here are the raws of there personality values :

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    [PERSONALITY:BASHFUL:0:0:0]
    [PERSONALITY:STRESS_VULNERABILITY:0:0:0]
    [PERSONALITY:FRIENDLINESS:0:0:0]
    [PERSONALITY:DISDAIN_ADVICE:100:100:100]
    [PERSONALITY:CHEER_PROPENSITY:0:0:0]
    [PERSONALITY:GRATITUDE:0:0:0]
    [PERSONALITY:TRUST:0:0:0]
    [PERSONALITY:ALTRUISM:0:0:0]
    [PERSONALITY:CRUELTY:100:100:100]

I think STRESS_VULNERABILITY:0:0:0 is the way to go. Of course, adding the rest wouldn't be a bother.
I will test this today, if I find the time.

[Splint]

Finally got around to genning the thing. inspection of raws has lead me to strongly reconsider certain things.

[Amperzand]

Oh jeeze.

Also, courtesy link to the discord chat since there isn't one on this page:

We've created a Discord channel to discuss things! Feel free to join! https://discord.gg/0g2sUaS4K5R68cpr

[Splint]

Alright, so two things.

1. I probably fucked something up. Only one of the er, spawn varieties, consistently spawns. so I probably botched something on the installation of the mod.
2. I'm about ready to set up a thread in modding for the mod itself and I'm willing to maintain it, if fr no other purpose than to ask if I can have the damned mod pre-installed since I am clearly a dumb-dumb.

[Amperzand]

I support this plan.

[Nakéen]

Your pleas have been heard sir ! Here are the files of the mod. Just drag every files in the raw folder and it will work !

Except the readme file and the reaction list.txt, which are just some instructions/informations.

(updated the readme, you can read it if you forgot what I did)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ccgphuz9srt62o4/Spearbreakers%20Mod.zip?dl=0

[Splint]

Thank you sir. I'm sure I fucked something up somewhere - possibly in part to my generally not using notepad++ when i do my raw-ing.

[Splint]

Hey guys, guess what? The coming undead nerf means we may actually get to use an evil biome!