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Wait for the next release. I want usable mugs damn it!

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We can use the current one. I like the big trees and slightly smarter dorfs.

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I'll take .34.11 thanks. I want to know I'll get to kill things for sure.

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Total Members Voted: 77

[Mr Frog]

Okiedokie then. I'm way tired right now, so I probably won't be very useful until tomorrow.

@Splint:

Of course Mr Frog has a pet turkey. Turkeys are d'awww.

[Xahnel]

Lol, me either, though this is the best time for me to write. For some reason, my creativity flows between three and five am.

[Mr Frog]

I sent you a (useless, intended only as a test) message on that mocospace thingy; did you get it? That site terrifies and bewilders me and I don't know why ;_;

[Xahnel]

Yep, you got it. And, yes, Moco is scary. Avoid the chat areas at all costs. You will NOT like it there.

[Draconik_Sankis]

The Plot Thickens

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Draconik sat on a nearby ledge as he watched the battle below and sipped his blood-wine, all in all it gave him good insight into how useful axes were versus the spawn.  And he watched as a mason ignored a spawn being punted by a hammer dwarf, and he watched the spawn flee in panic from th.... Draconik nearly fell from the ledge as he whipped back to see the Fleeing spawn being mowed down but he saw it... The Spawn had learned fear...  Gathering his materials he raced back to his lab collected his notes, and checked them, three, four six times none of it made sense the Spawn don't flee, they don't know fear so how....

He looked back down the darkened passageways that led to the fortress proper.  "What have you created here Mr Frog, he asked to only the darkness, then ideas began to stream into his mind, he gathered up a few more notes this time on biomass and he had it.  The perfect way to deal with the spawn, even if it meant releasing the plague upon this world again Draconik had the method to create a spawn fighting weapon, he even had all the parts.  As he gathered up the nearby materials, he slowly lifted one of the obsidion hearts and set it onto the reprogrammed Bio-Mass which consumed it with vigor, then he removed a hypodermic needle and withdrew a sample of his own blood, a sample of a motely collection of old bio-weapons, neuro-toxins and dorment viruses, including one of the two samples of HV-1 in Parasol's entire Bio-weapons Divison, the one virus that had united this world in its recent past.  Injecting the Bio-mass with his Blood allowed it to process and replecate the Viruses, he then sent a decrypted message to Lab Six.

He knew Mr Frog and anyone else who had any means of monitoring messages sent through portals would get this message, in fact he wanted them to, no sense in having everyone at risk of death if he failed to properly maintain control over this experiment, and Parasol needed to be ready to hit the reset again if he did fail.

Priority One Message to Lab Six, Classification Urgent, Encryption: None.

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To All Concerned,

I have figured out a way to effectively combat HS-X as indeed it has grown from original HS-1/1a and 2 deviants.   However it requires setting Bio-Mass agent to Living Organic as the Spawn are no-longer undead sub-beings but fully alive *notes inculded here*.  It also calls for setting Bio-mass Culture into a Node and infecting it with the HV-1 Virus.  I reconmend a Level three recall of ALL personnel aside from myself.  Have the Reset ready in case I fail, or if the project is too successful.

Draconik Sankis, former Head of Bio-weapons Department

Afterwords:

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After Draconik had sent his messages to began to gather up supplies, he'd need more of the obsidion hearts for this too work as well as DNA samples from a few key dwarves, and he needed to develop a few more skill sets for this to work.

*Request: Please Change Draconik Jobs to inculde Mechanic and Weapon/Armor/Blacksmithing [whichever is currently needed], Thank you*

[Xahnel]

Going to bed now. 4:14 am is too early for me. Gotta fix bedtime...

[Paintbrushturkey]

Well splint had you said that earlier, i'd have trained them differently.... last i heard pikes were "most" effective, also if you just give them adamantine bones and tendons blunt weapons will become useless, no more the silver warhammer shatters the rib and jams it through the heart, and significantly less the adamantine battleaxe strikes and the severed bodypart flies of in an arc...

[Talvieno]

I would like to make clear, after thinking over the fact, that there definitely should be such a thing as spawn-bone armor.  It should probably take 2-3 full spawn skeletons to make a complete set, but I say it should be done, if only for rule of cool.

Thoughts on this idea?

I like it. But I don't think you can work that in without genning a new world, so it might have to wait for Spearbreakers II. Spawnbone armor and chainscythes would make for a wicked-sweet combination.

At one point, I was actually hoping I could perfect my bonewall mod before Spearbreakers II, that way we could have walls made of bones. If we've decided that dwarfkind is defeating the Spawn because they themselves are becoming evil... why not, really? makes sense. (Though, if we do that, we have to get rid of farming. food is too easy to obtain when you can butcher sentients. For this reason I'm somewhat against my own idea.)

Combine them as a special squad outfit with the spawnbone scythe. Call them the Spawn Squad. And watch out for the darkness that will encroach on their hearts and minds.

Xahnel got to it before I did... And the darkness doesn't encroach upon their hearts, it emanates from them.


@Splint: In my opinion, it isn't the axes. It's the danger room. Now we're overpowered.

Also: I AM DISMANTLING THE DANGER ROOM. We don't need it anymore as the emergency has passed.

*cheers loudly* Ale for everybody, on me! :beer:

I think the best way to amp up the Spawn's power would be to give them built-in attack stats. Already adept at combat, basically. The minotaur has it, why not Spawn? They're outmatched as it is.

EDIT: Evidently Dorf!Frog worships something named Aquos Thinagido and has a pet turkey.

It's a test subject, not a pet. It's just survived longer than he expected, that's all.

And finally, at PBT: Pikesdwarves ARE most effective - just not against zombies. Pikesdwarves are actually also less able to avoid getting infected. I did !!SPAWNSCIENCE!! at one point... can't remember where, I'll edit this post with the link.
EDIT: Here it is. !!SPAWNSCIENCE!!


And while I'm thinking about it... I'm of the opinion that the Spawn will still be the downfall of the fortress. After all, it will only take one unnoticed, infected dwarf to spread the virus, and if that happens in the dining room, past all the defenses and away from the barracks - or really, anywhere with dwarves - it'll be almost unstoppable. The domino effect will be like a tantrum spiral... and there'll probably be a tantrum spiral to go along with it.

[Paintbrushturkey]

triple....

[Paintbrushturkey]

simply amping up the spawn stats should make work even in a genned world, or maybe just double the size of the buggers and/or let them use equipment.... (which i'm more than happy to mod in if you tell me where you have hidden the file (just for the record)... just making them get skill will not work... even legendary wrestler will go down... it's the dwarves ability to wear armor, or in the case of spawn the lack of a breastplate that tends to kill them...

Evidently Dorf!Frog worships something named Aquos Thinagido and has a pet turkey.

yeah that would be me.... i'm actually a demi god... hadn't you noticed?

[Paintbrushturkey]

wtf double tap...

[Talvieno]

simply amping up the spawn stats should make work even in a genned world, or maybe just double the size of the buggers and/or let them use equipment.... (which i'm more than happy to mod in if you tell me where you have hidden the file (just for the record)... just making them get skill will not work... even legendary wrestler will go down... it's the dwarves ability to wear armor, or in the case of spawn the lack of a breastplate that tends to kill them...

If Parasol did something wrong with their experiment, and the Spawn are learning to adapt, then yeah... I can see them figuring out how to wear armor. I'm not sure about them being able to make it, though... and I think that's what's required to have them wear it. That takes a new worldgen, if I remember right.
Something we don't want is for them to wield weapons. They're plenty good without weapons, and they won't bite as much if they're holding a weapon anyway.

[Paintbrushturkey]

only existing spawn will be naked, new ones will be able to wear wrmor... afaik, just checking but they don't have an intelligent tag which si why they don't wear armor asaik? is that correct?

[Splint]

Armor is a no-no. They're supposed to be a sort of ravenous demonic horde right? I would imagine some adaptations, such as learning to run when they're losing, can be seen more as thier improving thier battle tactics, not what they have to to fight with. If it were possible I'd make them attack in waves pretty frequently.

Maybe have feralspawn living in the caverns to simulate them being everywhere.

[Paintbrushturkey]

yes but when they wear armor when they transfor they shoudl nto take it off is my point, making transformed military dwarves vastly more dangerous, if you have done things right they don't have the smelt ore or other reactions enabled so... seeing as they have no entity file that i can find enabling them to make armor, they won't make any of their own and just wear what they transformed in...

try dumping these tags into the entity_spawn.txt file

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[INTELLIGENT]
    [TRANCES]
    [BENIGN]
    [CANOPENDOORS]
    [NOT_LIVING]
    [NO_NERVES]
    [NO_PAIN]
     [NO_FEAR]

if you want to be really mean reduce the heart size to 10 or so....

just checked and that shoudl fix that issue.... the moment they even get basic clothing it's a whole diffeent story.... although axe decaps still kill them.... sorry but axes are better than pikes... not buying the pikes are op thing ;-)

also for SB 2 i'd suggest

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[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_CUIRASS]
[NAME:cuirass:cuirasses]
[ARMORLEVEL:3]
[UBSTEP:1]
[LBSTEP:1]
[SHAPED]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:15]
[LAYER_PERMIT:50]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:15]
[HARD]
[METAL]