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[Scelly9]

I think that he is thinking too complexly for his current skill level.

So, Uber Pye, why ya voting for me? OMGUSing?

[Reverie]

Hello, hello! I've given the thread a preliminary read-through, and I couldn't help but notice the large side of McFry. From what I can tell, the loudest person is usually the one trying to compensate for something, so I will just let you know that I am watching you closely.

Uber pye:

(my vote raged quit so)
unvote JAXLER

Skelly9: what do I think?
I think that a lot has gone on since i was last on.
I think magma is just a dick with wall of text convoluted plans that i don't care about.
what about you?

Could you please explain to me why it appears as if Jaxler's retirement was the primary motivator for your vote removal, rather than, say, your feelings against Scelly?

[webadict]

Hey MagmaMcFry,

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Here's some "unbiased" advice (even though the ICs are just as unbiased): Don't do weird plans. Yes, you're right, and while that's something I would totally do, it's not going to help you learn the basics, which is the whole point. Try to play normally, and leave the crazy-plan antics for another, more advanced, game. It's also distracting to some of the other players trying to learn.

I promise your line of thinking is sound, though. If you want to think like scum, think like scum. If you want to be ahead of the curve, do it. It's actually really helpful. But, your play here should be unobtrusive to others, and that means any crazy plans are just going to confuse newbies.

I'm not asking you to not stop. I'm just saying your play here is about learning to play a relatively normal day game. Okay?

This is also why I don't IC for these anymore.

[uber pye]

Could you please explain to me why it appears as if Jaxler's retirement was the primary motivator for your vote removal, rather than, say, your feelings against Scelly?

it is my primary motive,my plan was to pressure Jaxler more.

i randomly chose who to pick from those who haven't been voted yet
the RNG chose Scelly

[Scelly9]

Then ask me a question.

Like this one. Pye, Why are you being so passive? Do stuff! Also, if you where trying to put pressure of jaxler, why did you not ask him a question?

[uber pye]

Then ask me a question.

Like this one. Pye, Why are you being so passive? Do stuff! Also, if you where trying to put pressure of jaxler, why did you not ask him a question?

I am passive because it is my nature which i can tell is not a trait that will endear me to the town,
     i did not pressure jaxler because he got grilled with out my help
     also after being 3 vote up i decided to lay low while peoples attention was on jaxler
     and i had RL duties to uphold like sleep

you on the other hand are asking quite a lot of questions that are filler and it seemed to me you were eager to magma why is this?

[Scelly9]

"Laying low" is part of what got you voted on in the first place, we told you that. Also, if you decided not to grill Jaxler, why did you not choose a new targe?

you on the other hand are asking quite a lot of questions that are filler and it seemed to me you were eager to magma why is this?

Please tell me which of my questions was filler, other than the one I already explained.
Also, you missed this one: Uber Pye: Who do you think is going to win this round? Just a gut feeling.

[Jim Groovester]

IC: What's the difference between theory and practical Mafia and why the hell?

Just a guess, but maybe expecting that people would go along with arbitrary rules presented in an overly arrogant and abrasive manner may not have been the most realistic of expectations or necessarily representative of mafia theory.

Really, you need an understanding of how the game is played before you can make any judgments about mafia theory. It's analogous to a situation where a chess beginner learns how the pieces move across the board then tries to think of some chess theory, and then when he applies his ideas against an expert he wonders why chess theory is so different from chess practice. (I'm talking out of my ass though. I don't know anything about chess.)

Additionally, if you want me to talk about mafia theory, or my opinion of mafia theory, I can ramble endlessly about it. Because there's nothing I love more than rambling endlessly about things I'm an authority on.

IC: Was the plan really absolute crap? If yes, then what exactly is wrong with it?

Which one? The one at the beginning of the game, or your three laws?

I thought the one at the beginning of the game was more or less fine, discarding your abrasive manner. I didn't think it would result in overwhelming success, but I have low expectations about any beginner's ability to turn up results on Day 1, but I wouldn't say it wasn't worth it to try.

Your three laws plan was never going to do anything. The key thing with that one is that you were never going to get people to give a shit. Even if you hadn't demanded that everybody call you Emperor (I mean, holy shit of shits, big surprise nobody wanted to do that) they would still object loudly and vocally to arbitrary rules that they would have had no interest or reason to follow. This isn't even a town exclusive thing; scum don't have any reason to go along with it because they have their own IC to tell them that it's not going to do anything and is nothing to be scared of. Any other scum with a modicum of experience will also know this. Ultimately, when somebody objects to your plan, it's not any statement about their alignment, just a statement that they don't like your plan.

It essentially never had any chance to succeed. If you were counting on everybody to go along with it, and that its detractors would be scum, I honestly don't know why you expected that to happen.

However, I did say at the beginning of the game to be bold and do the best that you can, and this is exactly what you did, so I will applaud you for that.

I am passive because it is my nature which i can tell is not a trait that will endear me to the town,

Recognizing the problem is the first step to correcting it.

Having a passive nature is no excuse. I'm shy and reserved outside of mafia. In mafia, I am an aggressive beast. It's something you can overcome with enough practice, and also when you realize that mafia isn't as scary as you make it out to be.

[uber pye]

"Laying low" is part of what got you voted on in the first place, we told you that. Also, if you decided not to grill Jaxler, why did you not choose a new targe?

you on the other hand are asking quite a lot of questions that are filler and it seemed to me you were eager to magma why is this?

Please tell me which of my questions was filler, other than the one I already explained.
Also, you missed this one: Uber Pye: Who do you think is going to win this round? Just a gut feeling.

• Laying low also got at least one person off my back a good portion of that was also me just not being on
• the ones like your very first question
• well looking at the past, scum have won so my money is on them

You Scelly seem to be acting a bit too towny for my tastes
and
Flandre are you Defending Scelly?

[obolisk0430]

I am passive because it is my nature which i can tell is not a trait that will endear me to the town,

Recognizing the problem is the first step to correcting it.

Having a passive nature is no excuse. I'm shy and reserved outside of mafia. In mafia, I am an aggressive beast. It's something you can overcome with enough practice, and also when you realize that mafia isn't as scary as you make it out to be.

I seem to be having the same problem, though in my case it's being non-commital, which stems from the fact that I don't like commiting to a fight when I'm not sure I will crush my opponent.  I'm hoping practice will help me get over this.

[Jim Groovester]

You could be right about somebody. For the right reasons, even. It does you no good to hold back.

[Scelly9]

Uber Pye, I really do not understand how my very first question was "Filler" Please enlighten me.

[Scelly9]

Also, please answer this: if you decided not to grill Jaxler, why did you not choose a new target?

[uber pye]

Also, please answer this: if you decided not to grill Jaxler, why did you not choose a new target?

others were doing that job for me, and then i went to sleep

Uber Pye, I really do not understand how my very first question was "Filler" Please enlighten me.

i did not think it helped lead to the goal of catching scum

[Scelly9]

Here's a tip. As long as you are putting someone under pressure, continue to question them.

Also, my original question was designed to root out somone's play style. I realize it might not have worked as intended but it did give me one hint, your passiveness.

Uber Pye, why are you not pushing? You need to continue to question.