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miauw62

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Liver disfunction, deadly?
« on: February 23, 2012, 11:03:58 am »
I'm actually wondering if liver disfunction will eventually kill a dwarf, i dont really have a way to test this tough, since i have no running fort at this moment and the other option is modding giant desert scorpions (again, i love these things) to inject a liver-destroying venom, but they usually die (Aardvark 1 has succumbed to infection!) before i can do any real observations.
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2012, 11:14:23 am »
Modify some tags and syndromes, utilize the ingested syndromes.  Cause wolf meat to have a syndrome that causes liver failure (ie, the muscle).  Arena, kill a wolf, butcher, eat the meat, and see what happens!
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miauw62

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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2012, 11:44:49 am »
Quote from: Girlinhat on February 23, 2012, 11:14:23 am
Modify some tags and syndromes, utilize the ingested syndromes.  Cause wolf meat to have a syndrome that causes liver failure (ie, the muscle).  Arena, kill a wolf, butcher, eat the meat, and see what happens!
Good idea!
(even tough i should be doing homework at this moment, meh.)
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2012, 11:47:38 am »
As far as I can tell, internal organs other than the heart, lungs, and brain don't actually do anything functionally. If you actually managed to sever a dwarf's liver, he'll probably instantly bleed to death, but if he somehow doesn't and heals there will be no long-term ill effects.
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2012, 11:50:51 am »
I had an adventuring task to kill a night creature.  I arrived to find a naked peasant.  Chokehold-strange, and I can do as I please.  I use my dagger to slash his lower body, spilling the cuts.  I use my dagger to slash the guts, they fly in an arc.  I then wait, and it takes some while before he wakes up, stands up, and takes one step towards me before bleeding to death.

Point being, if I'd worked a bit harder at it, I think I could have had him actually survive with no guts.
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2012, 11:56:22 am »
Girlinhat, I've done that to a Goblin before.

Blahblah, spilling her foul guts, slash, run and fast travel...

*5 days later*

I am Blahblahblah, Goblin Spearwomangoblin, prepare to die!

"Her guts is gone".

Eheheheee.
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2012, 11:56:51 am »
Thats too bad, but im wanting to try anyway, anybody have an idea how i could target the liver in syndromes?
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they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the raving confessions of a mass murdering cannibal from a recipe to bake a pie.
Quote from: MonkeyHead on May 25, 2014, 05:36:03 am
Knowing Belgium, everyone will vote for themselves out of mistrust for anyone else, and some kind of weird direct democracy coalition will need to be formed from 11 million or so individuals.

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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2012, 12:01:00 pm »
Fast travel follows different rules, namely that it can pretty much prevent death and heal wounds.  If you dealt with the guts and remained on-site, then you'd have something serious!
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2012, 12:07:56 pm »
Okay, i got my venom inside the alligator, and the liver does not function anymore, so lets see what happens.
I bet that that alligator simply starves to death.
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they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the raving confessions of a mass murdering cannibal from a recipe to bake a pie.
Quote from: MonkeyHead on May 25, 2014, 05:36:03 am
Knowing Belgium, everyone will vote for themselves out of mistrust for anyone else, and some kind of weird direct democracy coalition will need to be formed from 11 million or so individuals.

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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2012, 12:35:44 pm »
It won't.  The only creatures that need to eat are tame grazers or intelligent members of your fortress.  Alligators don't need to eat even if you tame them.  And I'm pretty sure nothing needs to eat in arena mode, and in adventure mode only you and possibly your companions need to eat.
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2012, 12:38:34 pm »
Quote from: Sphalerite on February 23, 2012, 12:35:44 pm
It won't.  The only creatures that need to eat are tame grazers or intelligent members of your fortress.  Alligators don't need to eat even if you tame them.  And I'm pretty sure nothing needs to eat in arena mode, and in adventure mode only you and possibly your companions need to eat.
I exited arena, but i still have the raws tough, so i can try again at any point.
(its a seperate world, so my adventurere wont suddenly get 'severe liver disfunction' in fight whit wolves.)

I have to go now, but as said, i will continue when i get the chance.
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Knowing Belgium, everyone will vote for themselves out of mistrust for anyone else, and some kind of weird direct democracy coalition will need to be formed from 11 million or so individuals.

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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2012, 02:05:15 pm »
Quote from: miauw62 on February 23, 2012, 12:38:34 pm
I have to go now

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Also I can confirm organs appear to be useless.

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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2012, 02:49:26 pm »
Quote from: Girlinhat on February 23, 2012, 11:50:51 am
I had an adventuring task to kill a night creature.  I arrived to find a naked peasant.  Chokehold-strange, and I can do as I please.  I use my dagger to slash his lower body, spilling the cuts.  I use my dagger to slash the guts, they fly in an arc.  I then wait, and it takes some while before he wakes up, stands up, and takes one step towards me before bleeding to death.

Point being, if I'd worked a bit harder at it, I think I could have had him actually survive with no guts.

I could never do this.  The urge to strangle someone with their own intestines is too strong! :(
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2012, 04:06:00 pm »
Heart is needed or else they die from blood-loss. Lungs are needed unless they have NO_BREATH tag. Brain is needed unless they are mindless (exact tag escapes me).

Everything else will just cause sickness periodically.  This is of course from my 40d experiments and war survivors.
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Re: Liver disfunction, deadly?
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2012, 04:09:10 pm »
Quote from: Satarus on February 23, 2012, 04:06:00 pm
Heart is needed or else they die from blood-loss. Lungs are needed unless they have NO_BREATH tag. Brain is needed unless they are mindless (exact tag escapes me).

Everything else will just cause sickness periodically.  This is of course from my 40d experiments and war survivors.

The thing about the heart is misleading, piercing it tears major arteries and inevitably causes fatal blood loss but bruising it does nothing.
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