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[Proteus]

As the topic says ...
coming from deep down below the soil one would assume water in wells to still remain fluid (soil is very good at keeping warmth, meaning that already a few centimeters below the surface it gets warmer than above thr siurface).

Considering the fact that the water in wells has only limitzed access to the outside air (more exactly, the part that is at the well shaft) and that most of the water that supplies the well is groundwater that is warmed by the soil deep below the surface, one would assume that the water within the well remains fluid.
One would also assume that the short travel of the bucket from the water level to the surface isnīt enough to turn all of the water into solid ice.

Therefore it would be nice if a well in Adventure mode (maybe also in dwarf mode) would supply us with fluid water, even if you have freezing temperatures outside (for example because it is winter)

[Drago55577]

+1

[Jheral]

As I was just reminded of this problem, by five consecutive adventurers dying of thirst due to flash-freezing of well water, I would just like to bump this, and add my support for the idea.

[GreatWyrmGold]

I think the issue is how temperature works in general. After all, in the Arctic, the water underground isn't liquid, it's frozen permafrost! In DF, an underground aquifer is liquid until you expose it to sunlight. I short, temperature needs to be reworked.

Also, freezing wells doesn't seem that unrealistic if it's cold enough. I'd be surprised that you could get any ice from it, though.

[Jheral]

Frozen underground water - not unrealistic, no. Large villages without any source of liquid water, that is somehow able to grow enough food to thrive - I'd call that unrealistic.

[GreatWyrmGold]

The first part is only in Adventure Mode, where the underground water is actually water in a deep pit. The second part requires a big farming overhaul, which is beyond the scope or intent of this thread.

[Broken]

As I was just reminded of this problem, by five consecutive adventurers dying of thirst due to flash-freezing of well water, I would just like to bump this, and add my support for the idea.

You can use campfires to melt ice or snow, you now.

[Tsuchigumo550]

The problem is a fix could make temprature, which is already pretty CPU-intensive, would have to be calculated every turn for every square on the map and would then have to influence things around it, to the point where investing in a CRAY now would be a good idea.

It's fine as it is, I think, it's all a matter of re-heating the water. That's possible in ADV mode, so it's not a problem at the moment, and I don't see it as one for a while yet.

[Jheral]

As I was just reminded of this problem, by five consecutive adventurers dying of thirst due to flash-freezing of well water, I would just like to bump this, and add my support for the idea.

You can use campfires to melt ice or snow, you now.

Odd. I tried that several times, and it never worked. I guess it's a bug or something.

Edit: So yeah, I tried it again. I could heat ice that I was carrying with me, but no way to melt non-carried ice, and no way to get the ice out of a well bucket.

[Helgoland]

Pick up some snow, melt it. Then drink it, pick up some more snow and go find a bronze colossus

[Starver]

If the ground-level[1] air is cold enough to freeze water, then there'd be a tendency for that cold air to go down any well that had warmer air, replacing that air and making the bottom the well as cold (and stay colder, conduction in of whatever low-level geothermal energy does exist, excepted).  Yes, it'd be sheltered against winds (and maybe there'd be interesting venturi-effects).  Perhaps a lid on the well could be presumed, which would help keep the air at a nice ambient (and ground-warmed[2]) temperature.  Argh!  It's complicated!


[1] Or whatever level the barrier around the well-head is, if any.

[2] Permafrost layers excepted.  But you'd not be getting a good well from a permafrosted patch of ground, you'd have to punch through it in the first place (give or take seasonal variations[3] in its depth and thickness) to get good water, and then you're asking whether the air cooled around a permafrost band of ground will settle and freeze water in a permdefrosted band of saturated ground, or the warmer air from the bottom will help de-ice, or at least help insulate from, the immediate surrounding ring of permafrost higher up.  Or you set up internal air-baffles, within the well, and line the well-shaft accordingly.

[3]

Spoiler: XKCD's take (click to show/hide)

[darklord92]

I can see a easier fix of water marked "inside" not freezing, and only water exposed to the sun completely would freeze. as well as underneath buildings are considered inside.  Thus above grounds or exposed, but covered cisterns would not freeze and would work in the winter.

[GreatWyrmGold]

That would be nice...as long as some sort of system that prevents, say, bridges from switching water from frozen to molten was added as well.

[darklord92]

That would be nice...as long as some sort of system that prevents, say, bridges from switching water from frozen to molten was added as well.

Ice is a bit different from a toggle. if you raised the bridge it would freeze but if lowered it would stay ice, until the spring thaw of course.

[GreatWyrmGold]

That would be nice...as long as some sort of system that prevents, say, bridges from switching water from frozen to molten was added as well.

Ice is a bit different from a toggle. if you raised the bridge it would freeze but if lowered it would stay ice, until the spring thaw of course.

That would work well enough.