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[thegoatgod_pan]

From adventure mode we know the knives (boning and the other kinds) are deadly, limb-severing, armor puncturing killing machines. But there seems to be no way to assign them to your squad.

Is there a way to do so? A raw edit perhaps?  I would appreciate any and all advice

[acetech09]

Yeah. A raw edit to first allow you to produce the knives, and a second (moving it from item_tool to item_weapon) so it can be used as one. Unless my memory completely fails me and they are in the weapon raws, in which case there's a tag for that.

[Girlinhat]

Bluntly: No.  The specific items are hard-coded, much like scepters and crowns and whatnot.

More specifically: Not really.  You can mod in new items and call them boning knives, which your dwarves can then forge and use, however I don't think anyone knows the weapon stats on a boning knife so whatever modded version you made wouldn't be a duplicate.  And if you wanted to pierce armor and sever limbs, just use whips or large daggers instead.

[Girlinhat]

Oh-ho, my mistake!

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[ITEM_TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_BONING]
[NAME:boning knife:boning knives]
[VALUE:10]
[METAL_WEAPON_MAT]
[TOOL_USE:MEAT_BONING]
[TILE:'/']
[SIZE:50]
[SKILL:DAGGER]
[TWO_HANDED:17500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:2000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:EDGE:500:300:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:2:400:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:200:strike:strikes:handle:1000]
The issue is that these are tools, not weapons.  They'd need to be in the ITEM_WEAPON category to be wielded, but then you'd have no way to get them, so you might allow Kobolds to use them as weapons, as they seem most likely to wield them (and let's be honest, the little guys need all the advantages they can get).  Much like large daggers, once they've come onto your map, then they can be used.

Do any traders bring knives?  Hmm, not sure if I ever actually noticed...

[Ieb]

Wouldn't it work like this:
- Make boning knife(and any other nice tool of mass murder) into a weapon.
- Add the edited tool-weapons to your civ's list of used weapons.
- Buy them as weapons or make your own at forges.

I also recall that traders do bring tools with 'em to trade, but as they have no real use in fortress mode I've never bought 'em, unless needing some crap to melt to bars. I don't think they have a limit on what tools they bring though, they just never really bring a lot of 'em because why would they do that when all you ever buy is food, wood, metal and booze?

[Nan]

Humans bring all kinds of knives, including boning knives.

[pushy]

Do any traders bring knives?  Hmm, not sure if I ever actually noticed...

Yep. From memory I think they're right at the bottom of the list of trade goods along with things like crutches, splints and hive boxes.

[ASCIt]

Come to think of it, a human-sized boning knife would probably wield much like a machete for dwarves...

[Muffindog]

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[ITEM_TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_CARVING]
[NAME:carving knife:carving knives]
[VALUE:10]
[METAL_WEAPON_MAT]
[TOOL_USE:MEAT_CARVING]
[TILE:'/']
[SIZE:150]
[SKILL:DAGGER]
[TWO_HANDED:22500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:4000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:EDGE:800:600:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:4:800:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:15:400:strike:strikes:handle:1000]

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[ITEM_TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_BONING]
[NAME:boning knife:boning knives]
[VALUE:10]
[METAL_WEAPON_MAT]
[TOOL_USE:MEAT_BONING]
[TILE:'/']
[SIZE:50]
[SKILL:DAGGER]
[TWO_HANDED:17500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:2000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:EDGE:500:300:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:2:400:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:200:strike:strikes:handle:1000]

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[ITEM_TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_SLICING]
[NAME:slicing knife:slicing knives]
[VALUE:10]
[METAL_WEAPON_MAT]
[TOOL_USE:MEAT_SLICING]
[TILE:'/']
[SIZE:150]
[SKILL:DAGGER]
[TWO_HANDED:22500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:4000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:EDGE:900:700:slash:slashes:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK:EDGE:3:900:stab:stabs:NO_SUB:1000]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:15:400:strike:strikes:handle:1000]

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[ITEM_TOOL:ITEM_TOOL_KNIFE_MEAT_CLEAVER]
[NAME:meat cleaver:meat cleavers]
[VALUE:10]
[METAL_WEAPON_MAT]
[TOOL_USE:MEAT_CLEAVING]
[TILE:'/']
[SIZE:300]
[SKILL:AXE]
[TWO_HANDED:27500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:5000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[ATTACK:EDGE:800:400:hack:hacks:NO_SUB:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:800:400:slap:slaps:flat:1250]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20:400:strike:strikes:handle:1000][/size]

So which one of these would be the best? The boning knife is the smallest, and the cleaver is the biggest and is even an axe (does that mean it can actually cut down trees?)

The contact area is very tiny, even smaller than the daggers', especially for stabbing, but the penetration is actually best when using the carving knife.

[Aspgren]

hehehehehehe ....

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boning

[thegoatgod_pan]

Thank you so much for the responses!

So if I want to go ahead and arm my military with the many knives I purchased from the humans I should redefine them as weapons rather than tools. I don't think I'd even need to ass them to my civ, since humans sell an bundle every season. If this doesn't work, I'll just stick with the knives the thieves leave lying around

[ASCIt]

Thank you so much for the responses!

So if I want to go ahead and arm my military with the many knives I purchased from the humans I should redefine them as weapons rather than tools. I don't think I'd even need to ass them to my civ, since humans sell an bundle every season. If this doesn't work, I'll just stick with the knives the thieves leave lying around

Heheh... "stick" "knives"..."with the"...