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[zchris13]

Since when has intelligece been a requirement for personhood, lots of people are brainless tools used by other people.

That isn't very nice. And mostly not true, if I understand what you're getting at. The mindless masses are not, in fact, mindless. As far as I can tell. They're just uneducated. Big difference there.

[rarborman]

Also not trolling, I'm as serious as can be; I dont consider certain humans to be people, I get over feeling strange about it by letting others call me a monster.

When I say internet words I mean them.

[zchris13]

So. Can you elaborate on who you consider to be beneath person status? What's your criterion?

Hmmm... I'll think about a response to my own question. I'll respond to it soonish. It's only fair. (Such a difficult question omg)

[Chaoswizkid]

Are you sure he isn't using this as an argument against dolphins counting as people?

He's still making the assumption that they are, even if it is against dolphins counting as 'persons' (not necessarily 'people'. There's slightly different connotations there). "If they can be considered persons, then we'd have to round them up and have a big chat about how they aren't moral." That's what I got out of what he was saying, anyway.

[kaijyuu]

Wait, rarborman isn't being facetious?


That's kinda terrifying.

[zchris13]

Wait, rarborman isn't being facetious?
That's kinda terrifying.

He's maximum trolling for this reaction out of the entire world. Subconsciously. (true fact)

[rarborman]

No trolling, I'm not sorry if you find it terrifying, its just my real belief, you can be human, a person, a monster; they are not exclusive you can be one or all three.

[Criptfeind]

"I'm not sorry if you find it terrifying"

...

Maybe funny.

But anyway, what is personhood to you? And what is the criteria?

[Grek]

So any particular dolphin is a rapist if another dolphin is? Can I be the first to call out on dolphin racism?

It's a statistical fact, like saying "Most bears have killed and eaten another animal before." or "Most tadpoles will not survive to adulthood in the wild.", not some sort of 'dolphin racism' thing. The simple fact of the matter is that the majority of dolphins will, at some point in their life, rape or attack another member of their own species. Wild canines are the same way, as are most pack animals. Animals in general are terrible moral role models and regularly do things that would get a human a lengthy prison sentence in most parts of the world.

[DJ]

Why is self-awareness such a big deal? I though capacity for abstract thought is what sets humans apart.

It's far more difficult to test whether an animal has the capacity for abstract thought than it is to create thought experiments about self-awareness.

That's like using presence of eyeglasses to gauge somebody's education level.

[rarborman]

I've never really writen it down, I'm too afraid it'll turn into a manifesto, and make me want to kill myself for no longer being able to be a person. Yeah a bit scary.

[kaijyuu]

Yeah a bit scary.

He even agrees with me!

[rarborman]

'She' and beliefs can be scary, just look at religion.

[Glowcat]

So any particular dolphin is a rapist if another dolphin is? Can I be the first to call out on dolphin racism?

It's a statistical fact, like saying "Most bears have killed and eaten another animal before." or "Most tadpoles will not survive to adulthood in the wild.", not some sort of 'dolphin racism' thing. The simple fact of the matter is that the majority of dolphins will, at some point in their life, rape or attack another member of their own species. Wild canines are the same way, as are most pack animals. Animals in general are terrible moral role models and regularly do things that would get a human a lengthy prison sentence in most parts of the world.

Do you have statistics to prove dolphins are more likely to engage in rape and murder, and how does that account for factors such as poverty and other social influences? You could very well be labeling dolphins unfairly due to the pre-tribal culture they grow up in.

'She' and beliefs can be scary, just look at religion.

You're not even subtle about trolling. I usually see you trying these ham-handed tactics and it's what I remember you by. Do you want to be known as the "Bad Troll" raborman, do you? Can you face that sort of social stigma?

[kaijyuu]

TBH I'm willing to accept she's not trolling, as she'd have nothing to gain. No one's giving amusing replies, and I doubt it's helping her image (as you pointed out).


If she's trolling, she's being highly illogical about it. Spock would be bemused.