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[paraxite]

Since the new version it seems that magma has become more faster.
So everytime I try to get magma to my magma furnaces I engraver turns to ashes! Everytime!
Any ideas on getting safe, critter-free magma into the fortress?

[Girlinhat]

First, determine how magma acts.  Then we can determine how to control it.

[Baron Baconeer]

Give picks to all the useless immigrants. I mean, you have to use them to do something.

[Hotaru]

Fortifications wouldn't protect you from magma creatures anyway, so what's the big idea?

Unless it's somehow become able to jump up z-levels, to tap a natural reservoir of magma, dig a channel. To be protected from creatures you should just include one diagonal section with a statue in the magma ways.

[Girlinhat]

The issue is that magma dynamics have changed.  We no longer know exactly how pressure and flow works, making magma tapping much more dangerous until we figure it out again.

[Hotaru]

Sure, but it doesn't really affect you at all if you breach the magma with a channel designation on the z-level above, does it? This is of course not always possible, but since the OP is talking about engravers I assume he means volcano/pipe magma where it usually is.

[Girlinhat]

...did you just suggest to ignore volcanoes?

[Hotaru]

...did you just suggest to ignore volcanoes?

I have been thinking they're too easy since 40d but there's no way you could know that

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[Anathema]

Underground forges fueled by volcanoes are still doable with safety, it'll just be more difficult. Hotaru is correct in that channeling from above is still the only guaranteed safe method, so do that, then drop the lava down a shaft to where you want it:

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[Montague]

I've always dug a fortification into the side of the magma chamber, so it flows into tunnels under the forges, with a staircase right next to where the fortification is dug going up to the next Z-level. Basically the engraver stands on the stairs while carving the fortification, to clarify.

Magma seems to flow slower then it takes for the engraver to climb up the stairs, although I'm not sure if this would work now, if being adjacent to magma causes dwarves to ignite.

Might have to build the fortification or bars where I'd put the stairs and then channel the wall to let the magma flow, instead. Just build a floor over the channel to keep the critters out.

[BigD145]

The safest way appears to be: vampires. No dwarves will be harmed if all engravers are vampires.

[paraxite]

Hmm... seems like the most safe option is to use channels.
Any possibility of critters coming out of the furnaces?

[Girlinhat]

Furnaces and Forges have impassable tiles.  Put the magma vent under these tiles, and creatures cannot come up.

[That guy]

What I did in DF2010 was this:

1. Build a hollow chamber for my forges

2. Build a hollow chamber as a magma reservoir below that

3. Channel from forge chamber to fill magma reservoir

4. Channel out access holes for forges and smelters.

5. Cover holes with impassable workshop tiles, and build floors over the down staircase to the reservoir and anything else with exposed magma.

[Girlinhat]

Congrats for you in DF2010.  However it appears things have changed.  Nothing you said helps.