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SuicideJunkie

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Sunberries vs Undead
« on: February 18, 2012, 11:15:25 am »

It seems to me that sunberries, with their inner light imported from good biomes, could sensibly be used to hinder the undead with syndromes.
Imagine lining the hallway to your trashpit with sunberry, so that any body parts that reanimate on the way will be stunned.
Try pouring some still-concentrated sunshine on your suspected vampires.

Naturally, it should be raised in price and difficulty for such effects. 
Personally, I'd go all-out and give it a lucky 7 year growdur, clustersize of 3, and a few hundred dorfbucks per berry.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2012, 11:27:21 am »

While I have no objection...

I'd kinda would rather have Sunberries to be a very high quality ingredient. Not everything abnormal needs to be outright supernatural.

Though Sunberries's juices being like rays of the sun isn't a bad idea either.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2012, 12:30:04 pm »

 I don't think this is the sort of thing Toady should waste his time making in vanilla, but the capability to mod it in? Yes please, if it's not already possible.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2012, 12:42:19 pm »

Why just sunberries, not multiple and perhaps procedurally-selected herbs, flowers or even extracts?
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 01:07:50 pm »

Why just sunberries, not multiple and perhaps procedurally-selected herbs, flowers or even extracts?

Because sunberries are associated with the sun, and multiple and perhaps procedurally-selected herbs, flowers, or even extracts are not.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 01:44:16 pm »

That's why we have this sphere "system", only give anti-undead properties to proced plants associated with light, good, purity....
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2012, 08:36:47 pm »

Gnomeblight will actually melt gnomes exposed to it.  No reason the same properties couldn't be modded in for Golden Salve or Sunshine (alcohol which poisons undead?  Ha!)

However, there's currently no way to deliberately expose attackers to liquid you have in a barrel.  We need traps and mechanisms intended for that, which can't be modded in.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2012, 04:07:04 am »

Maybe if a barrel could be built and triggered to open like a cage can be?
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2012, 04:13:43 am »

Why just sunberries, not multiple and perhaps procedurally-selected herbs, flowers or even extracts?

Because sunberries are associated with the sun, and multiple and perhaps procedurally-selected herbs, flowers, or even extracts are not.
And undead are allergic to the sun, or what?
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2012, 04:39:17 am »

Which brings up some possible !!science!! relating to an automated boiling sunshine barrel generator that culls vampires from immigrants...
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 10:50:30 pm »

And undead are allergic to the sun, or what?

Vampires are undead, and vampires are allergic to the sun.

Blah blah blah logic blah blah that's not a correct syllogism. I know. Undead are magical. They work by magical logic, which is about association and symbolism. The sun is the source of life. Undead are a perversion of the natural order of life, so they hate and fear the sun, probably because it hurts them. It's broadly the same reason vampires are afraid of crosses.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 02:16:38 pm »

Tangent suggestion:

 Vampires might avoid stepping on/near engravings/status of deities or symbols associated with opposing spheres, akin to "Elbereth" in Nethack.

 Not unbalanced, since you can't control what engravings/status the dwarfs make yet.

 Probably not worth the coding effort/extra pathing time, but it would be cool.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2012, 02:19:10 pm »

Tangent suggestion:

 Vampires might avoid stepping on/near engravings/status of deities or symbols associated with opposing spheres, akin to "Elbereth" in Nethack.

 Not unbalanced, since you can't control what engravings/status the dwarfs make yet.

 Probably not worth the coding effort/extra pathing time, but it would be cool.

Also, imbalanced because you can make as many statues as you want. You'll get your Elbereth if you commit to the Warding Industries.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2012, 04:14:42 pm »

Yeah, but you'll be doing that instead of making armor/weapons, clothes, food, etc.
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Re: Sunberries vs Undead
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2012, 04:21:04 pm »

Golden salve anyone?
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