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How To Survive The New Version
« on: February 17, 2012, 08:53:29 pm »

Seriously. In 31.25, I had no issue with keeping adventurers alive as long as I kept them away from non-titan megabeasts and bogeymen, but had nothing to do. In 34.01, I am having trouble keeping the inevitable goblin/dwarf/human/fucking kobold ambushes from killing me. Oh, and of course I never start in towns, only hamlets, so I need to travel the bandit-packed wilderness between human settlements to get to anything interesting. If I don't die when getting to town, I die to a mummy's curse or get all of my limbs crippled by a couple goblins in a dungeon.



All that aside, this seems like a great update to play an adventurer in, if I can get anywhere. Does anyone have any advice on how I can, say, get to the point where I can defeat a necromancer and learn the Secrets of Life and Death without dying before then?
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 09:22:08 pm »

The recent release should have toned down the ambush rates, plus observer/intuition lower the chances as well. Otherwise,
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 09:26:56 pm »

Run away, become a vampire, then become a necromancer. I guarantee, nothing will stop you.
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 09:36:58 pm »

The recent release should have toned down the ambush rates, plus observer/intuition lower the chances as well.
If it did, it increased the number of groups who want to ambush you to compensate. ALL of my adventurers have run into bands of whatevers shortly after creation.

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Otherwise,
Running away, savescumming, & hiding behind trees before slowly pebbling them to death.
I find savescumming cheating, they can probably catch up to me but I might try running if I can get far enough away, and I might try the tree one.

Run away, become a vampire, then become a necromancer. I guarantee, nothing will stop you.
Any advice on where to find vampires? Other than "underneath layers of crafts made from the hair, nails, bones, and teeth of their victims."
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 09:40:29 pm »

Just look trough legends for all human vampires you can find. They usually rise in high positions, so they aren't that hard to find when you've identified them. Then just check the civ they lead and where they live.
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2012, 09:56:29 pm »

The recent release should have toned down the ambush rates, plus observer/intuition lower the chances as well.
If it did, it increased the number of groups who want to ambush you to compensate. ALL of my adventurers have run into bands of whatevers shortly after creation.

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Otherwise,
Running away, savescumming, & hiding behind trees before slowly pebbling them to death.
I find savescumming cheating, they can probably catch up to me but I might try running if I can get far enough away, and I might try the tree one.

Run away, become a vampire, then become a necromancer. I guarantee, nothing will stop you.
Any advice on where to find vampires? Other than "underneath layers of crafts made from the hair, nails, bones, and teeth of their victims."
i found one in a dungeon, and another in a house.  lucky me, i had quests to kill both.  dungeon vamp was an easy find, and the second happened to be a goblin.. not hard to find the goblin vampire living in a human town house.
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 10:03:10 pm »

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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2012, 10:08:43 pm »

I've started small for my most recent adventurer. I checked the dungeon/catacomb/whatever the hell those rooms are under a keep. Aside from a few stray bits of clothes, I found nothing. Then I opened up a door and got spammed with blowdarts missing/being blocked/deflected. I hit a room full of rodent men. Me and my 2 companions cleaned out the room, rodent men blowgunners couldn't pierce a piece of paper if they tried.

I got some experience and also killed an "important" rodent man overlord, whom I will use to recruit more soldiers.

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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2012, 10:09:42 pm »

Seriously. In 31.25, I had no issue with keeping adventurers alive as long as I kept them away from non-titan megabeasts and bogeymen, but had nothing to do. In 34.01, I am having trouble keeping the inevitable goblin/dwarf/human/fucking kobold ambushes from killing me. Oh, and of course I never start in towns, only hamlets, so I need to travel the bandit-packed wilderness between human settlements to get to anything interesting. If I don't die when getting to town, I die to a mummy's curse or get all of my limbs crippled by a couple goblins in a dungeon.



All that aside, this seems like a great update to play an adventurer in, if I can get anywhere. Does anyone have any advice on how I can, say, get to the point where I can defeat a necromancer and learn the Secrets of Life and Death without dying before then?
Walk everywhere instead of fast travelling.  You won't get encounters at all. 

I finally managed to get my peasant human outsider to the ultra slayer status just recently.  What I did was sneak EVERYWHERE.  It sucks at first, but once you get good skill in it, it actually becomes really fast.

Once you get to around adept or expert, you can sneak right next to enemies.  Once I got to that point, I asked the locals about the surroundings and found out where the bandit camps were. 

I then snuck into the camps and stole their loot until I got a full bronze/iron armor set.  I couldn't find a mail shirt or breastplate, so I bought some from an armorsmith in town with the profits of my thieving.

After getting the armor, I went around jumping weak animals from stealth.  I would start off by grabbing their upper body or head with my upper arm or hand, and throwing them to the ground to stun them.  That made it easier for me to either A.) Strangle them to death or B.) break their arms and legs and let them beat on me to level dodge and armor. 

If you don't know how, you can break their legs by either grabbing their upper leg with your upper arm, then locking the joint after that turn, then breaking the hip on the next turn, or using your lower arm to grab their lower leg, then lock, then break the knee. 

To strangle you can just grab the enemy by the throat with your upper/lower arm or hand, then put them in a choke, then strangle.  Once you have them in a strangle, you can just hold the directional key to your enemy and you will repeatedly strangle them, this levels your wrestling AND fighting skill really fast.

Once I got to decent skill levels and courage :p I decided to actually fight one of the bandit leaders.  Wouldn't you know it?  It was a elite marksman with a masterwork copper crossbow!

I snuck up to him and grabbed his crossbow with my free hand.  I got possession of it on the first try! >:3  Now that he no longer posed a threat I choked him out and smashed his brains in with his own crossbow. 

That crossbow is now my main killing weapon.  Crossbows normally suck because of the slow shooting time, but they make up for it because they apparently do monstrous damage. 

The slow shooting time doesn't matter when attacking from stealth since the enemies don't even notice.  One shot is usually enough to cause an injury so bad that they go unconscious, if not kill them.  I then run up and bash their heads in. 

The masterwork copper crossbow is actually a pretty decent melee weapon to boot, I got my hammer skill really high with it.  Now I just have to get a good slashing or piercing weapon skill and I am all set! 
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 10:27:01 pm »

Right you are, new version due out tomorrow. We'll see then.
I have my suspicions about crossbows being any better at ranged than bowing/throwing, but what he said. More emphasis on raising dodging, if you wish to wane sneaking. Them arrows don't even flinch at armor.
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 11:01:01 pm »

im doing a lp of dwarf fortress in adventure mod and im uploading it to youtube right now!
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 11:15:46 pm »

Seriously. In 31.25, I had no issue with keeping adventurers alive as long as I kept them away from non-titan megabeasts and bogeymen, but had nothing to do. In 34.01, I am having trouble keeping the inevitable goblin/dwarf/human/fucking kobold ambushes from killing me. Oh, and of course I never start in towns, only hamlets, so I need to travel the bandit-packed wilderness between human settlements to get to anything interesting. If I don't die when getting to town, I die to a mummy's curse or get all of my limbs crippled by a couple goblins in a dungeon.



All that aside, this seems like a great update to play an adventurer in, if I can get anywhere. Does anyone have any advice on how I can, say, get to the point where I can defeat a necromancer and learn the Secrets of Life and Death without dying before then?
Walk everywhere instead of fast travelling.  You won't get encounters at all. 

I finally managed to get my peasant human outsider to the ultra slayer status just recently.  What I did was sneak EVERYWHERE.  It sucks at first, but once you get good skill in it, it actually becomes really fast.

Once you get to around adept or expert, you can sneak right next to enemies.  Once I got to that point, I asked the locals about the surroundings and found out where the bandit camps were. 

I then snuck into the camps and stole their loot until I got a full bronze/iron armor set.  I couldn't find a mail shirt or breastplate, so I bought some from an armorsmith in town with the profits of my thieving.

After getting the armor, I went around jumping weak animals from stealth.  I would start off by grabbing their upper body or head with my upper arm or hand, and throwing them to the ground to stun them.  That made it easier for me to either A.) Strangle them to death or B.) break their arms and legs and let them beat on me to level dodge and armor. 

If you don't know how, you can break their legs by either grabbing their upper leg with your upper arm, then locking the joint after that turn, then breaking the hip on the next turn, or using your lower arm to grab their lower leg, then lock, then break the knee. 

To strangle you can just grab the enemy by the throat with your upper/lower arm or hand, then put them in a choke, then strangle.  Once you have them in a strangle, you can just hold the directional key to your enemy and you will repeatedly strangle them, this levels your wrestling AND fighting skill really fast.

Once I got to decent skill levels and courage :p I decided to actually fight one of the bandit leaders.  Wouldn't you know it?  It was a elite marksman with a masterwork copper crossbow!

I snuck up to him and grabbed his crossbow with my free hand.  I got possession of it on the first try! >:3  Now that he no longer posed a threat I choked him out and smashed his brains in with his own crossbow. 

That crossbow is now my main killing weapon.  Crossbows normally suck because of the slow shooting time, but they make up for it because they apparently do monstrous damage. 

The slow shooting time doesn't matter when attacking from stealth since the enemies don't even notice.  One shot is usually enough to cause an injury so bad that they go unconscious, if not kill them.  I then run up and bash their heads in. 

The masterwork copper crossbow is actually a pretty decent melee weapon to boot, I got my hammer skill really high with it.  Now I just have to get a good slashing or piercing weapon skill and I am all set!
I vote you find a badass knife, then go cbow/knife akimbo special ops dorf. Hell if you do that, post a pic of your desc.
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 11:30:17 pm »

Go to a keep and steal as much armour as humanly possible. You'll survive much, much longer with some armour on you.
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2012, 11:33:16 pm »

Seriously. In 31.25, I had no issue with keeping adventurers alive as long as I kept them away from non-titan megabeasts and bogeymen, but had nothing to do. In 34.01, I am having trouble keeping the inevitable goblin/dwarf/human/fucking kobold ambushes from killing me. Oh, and of course I never start in towns, only hamlets, so I need to travel the bandit-packed wilderness between human settlements to get to anything interesting. If I don't die when getting to town, I die to a mummy's curse or get all of my limbs crippled by a couple goblins in a dungeon.



All that aside, this seems like a great update to play an adventurer in, if I can get anywhere. Does anyone have any advice on how I can, say, get to the point where I can defeat a necromancer and learn the Secrets of Life and Death without dying before then?
Walk everywhere instead of fast travelling.  You won't get encounters at all. 

I finally managed to get my peasant human outsider to the ultra slayer status just recently.  What I did was sneak EVERYWHERE.  It sucks at first, but once you get good skill in it, it actually becomes really fast.

Once you get to around adept or expert, you can sneak right next to enemies.  Once I got to that point, I asked the locals about the surroundings and found out where the bandit camps were. 

I then snuck into the camps and stole their loot until I got a full bronze/iron armor set.  I couldn't find a mail shirt or breastplate, so I bought some from an armorsmith in town with the profits of my thieving.

After getting the armor, I went around jumping weak animals from stealth.  I would start off by grabbing their upper body or head with my upper arm or hand, and throwing them to the ground to stun them.  That made it easier for me to either A.) Strangle them to death or B.) break their arms and legs and let them beat on me to level dodge and armor. 

If you don't know how, you can break their legs by either grabbing their upper leg with your upper arm, then locking the joint after that turn, then breaking the hip on the next turn, or using your lower arm to grab their lower leg, then lock, then break the knee. 

To strangle you can just grab the enemy by the throat with your upper/lower arm or hand, then put them in a choke, then strangle.  Once you have them in a strangle, you can just hold the directional key to your enemy and you will repeatedly strangle them, this levels your wrestling AND fighting skill really fast.

Once I got to decent skill levels and courage :p I decided to actually fight one of the bandit leaders.  Wouldn't you know it?  It was a elite marksman with a masterwork copper crossbow!

I snuck up to him and grabbed his crossbow with my free hand.  I got possession of it on the first try! >:3  Now that he no longer posed a threat I choked him out and smashed his brains in with his own crossbow. 

That crossbow is now my main killing weapon.  Crossbows normally suck because of the slow shooting time, but they make up for it because they apparently do monstrous damage. 

The slow shooting time doesn't matter when attacking from stealth since the enemies don't even notice.  One shot is usually enough to cause an injury so bad that they go unconscious, if not kill them.  I then run up and bash their heads in. 

The masterwork copper crossbow is actually a pretty decent melee weapon to boot, I got my hammer skill really high with it.  Now I just have to get a good slashing or piercing weapon skill and I am all set!
I vote you find a badass knife, then go cbow/knife akimbo special ops dorf. Hell if you do that, post a pic of your desc.
Actually, I've was looking for knives when I first started.  Never found any though :(
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Re: How To Survive The New Version
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2012, 11:35:47 pm »

Don't fast travel. Trains ambushing very quickly, and you get to kill everything along the way. Requires patience.
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