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Author Topic: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread  (Read 890464 times)

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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4695 on: June 19, 2013, 06:41:56 pm »

Question about dwarves on fire. I found a magma tube, with a space well above it. My idea was to suspend a pod from the ceiling via up/down stairs. This seems like it would work, but both the initial miner and one stoneworker have turn up bled to death and on fire after working here. I've put forges over magma before. I don't get combat reports during these "incidents". Are these fire imps? A rule against working over lots of open magma?
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« Reply #4696 on: June 19, 2013, 07:00:23 pm »

Question about dwarves on fire. I found a magma tube, with a space well above it. My idea was to suspend a pod from the ceiling via up/down stairs. This seems like it would work, but both the initial miner and one stoneworker have turn up bled to death and on fire after working here. I've put forges over magma before. I don't get combat reports during these "incidents". Are these fire imps? A rule against working over lots of open magma?

The temperature above the magma shouldn't be hot enough to torch vanilla dwarves on their own.  Have you been dumping things in the magma?  Magma mist can and will burn your dwarves and is now generated by sufficiently large items being thrown in a pool. 
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« Reply #4697 on: June 19, 2013, 08:29:25 pm »

Not intentionally dumping stuff in the magma. The miner was the first one there, and the magma starts 4-5 z-levels down. Unless mining causes stuff to fall (I suppose it could release a rock, or rocks?) then I don't see how, though that is one explanation. And the mason? Just made a few X up/down staircases. No dropping.

There ARE imps in the Units menu, but not that I've seen in the magma pipe, just down in the sea. Do they simply cause dwarfs to burst into flame?
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4698 on: June 20, 2013, 10:20:05 am »

They can throw fireballs at a range of about 20 tiles, and they can throw them at angles steeper than 45 degrees.
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« Reply #4699 on: June 21, 2013, 10:16:54 am »

How do you mod the game so creatures grow right?

From various threads I've been able to deduce that when little dwarves/kittens/etc. grow up they only get bigger is the exact second they were born ends in zero, and that the following line of code fixes this:
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unit.relations.birth_time=-1

What I have not been able to figure out is where you put the damn code.

So I have two questions:
1) Am I interpreting these threads right?

2) If so, where does this code go?
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Re: DF 2012v0.34 question and answer thread
« Reply #4700 on: June 21, 2013, 10:57:52 am »

if you are using the latest df and don't mind using the LNP, download it, copy your saves to the saves folder there, do the same with any macros or other things you have saved or changed and run the game, it will automatically apply the fix

otherwise I found these instructions quite clear:

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« Reply #4701 on: June 21, 2013, 12:37:37 pm »

So it doesn't work without DFHack. I thought it did.

I guess I'll have to install DFHack.
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« Reply #4702 on: June 21, 2013, 03:13:32 pm »

I have yet to see any dwarfs with appraisal skill to make broker?  is it a skill that he will develop?
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« Reply #4703 on: June 21, 2013, 03:46:22 pm »

I recently noticed a "Training Session" with one of my melee squads.  Prior to this, I've only noticed sparring and demonstrations that specified what was taught, like "Shield Demonstration."  What do training sessions actually train?

My understanding is that they show "Training session" as their job for some period of time, and then it changes to a more specific task, like "Watch sword demonstration" or "Spar".  I think it changes when enough dwarves show up in the barracks, or when the organizer has finished organizing, or something along those lines.
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« Reply #4704 on: June 21, 2013, 04:58:19 pm »

I have yet to see any dwarfs with appraisal skill to make broker?  is it a skill that he will develop?
Appraiser skill is gained the first time you open the trading screen for a given caravan, with the dwarf in the depot getting a chunk of XP for the whole caravan. With the default caravans of dwarf, human, and elf, you'll only ever raise Appraiser XP three times a year. But you do get a lot of it -- the first caravan you get will easily give you Novice if it has wagons, and maybe if it's just pack animals. You only need Novice to see prices or fortress value, and additional skill levels do nothing.
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« Reply #4705 on: June 21, 2013, 05:14:38 pm »

QuestionAbove my pillar trap, I'm building something heavy, so I ran a retractable bridge over to top of pillar.  Now, I am curious, if the collateral damage result when this wall falls will improve, if I build atop the pillar, a wall out of a raw mined rock(435Γ) or a wall out of a rock block(27Γ), when it caves-in.  I saw or remember from the drop item, armor skill improvement thread sometime ago, something about the mass making a difference, or if height made the difference.  I just cannot remember.  Thanks 

Hoping the collective knowledge out there has an answer, or tip.  I'm looking for the greatest splatter size, possible when pillar trap causes a cave-in.  Right now I'm using Pyrolusite walls.  I'll upgrade this heavy wall to a Building destroyer/Forgotten Beast/Titan corpse/skeleton, if its a higher mass, down the road.  Just not sure how I'll get it up there.  HA!

Thanks, Knutor
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« Reply #4706 on: June 21, 2013, 05:27:01 pm »

Maybe I misunderstand, but if there is a cave-in everything under the wall or floor will be instantly killed, so whatever you put on top of them hardly matters, nor what it's made of. Do you mean the 'dust blast' when something falls?
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« Reply #4707 on: June 21, 2013, 06:31:46 pm »

Maybe I misunderstand, but if there is a cave-in everything under the wall or floor will be instantly killed, so whatever you put on top of them hardly matters, nor what it's made of. Do you mean the 'dust blast' when something falls?

Not everything dies, I just had a Goblin Thief and the IDing cat dance right on through the splatter area after triggering a pillar trap, with a hair trigger pressure plate, adjacent to the pillar, but on the diagonal. 

So sure 'dust blast' effect, okay.  I want the best overall destruction for the buck, out of a 1 z-level high pillar collapse.  I'm guessing its just sticking raw stone in there, heavier the better, what I build up there prolly doesn't matter, but I dunno.  Some corpses way a whole lot more.  So maybe a floor + a corpse?
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« Reply #4708 on: June 22, 2013, 12:29:52 am »

What are the rules for determining if a tile of water will freeze?  I have a fort on a map that freezes in winter and that deconstructed my well.  Is it possible to protect it by enclosing it in a building?  Or would a dedicated underground well resist freezing?

As dorfy as it would be, surrounding it with magma is not practical.
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« Reply #4709 on: June 22, 2013, 01:04:49 am »

Unfortunately if it is in a tile that was ever above ground it will freeze so your best bet is to move the well underground.
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