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[10ebbor10]

Quick question about the combat - how did that actually work out; 10 people with 6 attack 4 defense vs 2 creatures of 2 attack 4 defense, and we loose 2 ...

(and thats assuming that they were not gathering water in sight of the plane, which was at the edge of the water with 10 guys with rifles ...)

on opposing die rolls we should take 1 damage and deliver 40 each round (on average) against creatures with 10 life (unless i don't understand the combat system)

Bad rolls, should have been able to take them. And no they were not in sight of the people working on the plane, which was some distance away from the water.

Also humans have 1 hp, they are quite squishy.

Also, drill is just one roll

[Duncan_McShal]

So does anyone have a suggestion on what we should do next?

[Morrigi]

How would bayonets and lugs to attach then to the rifles help us in combat against such beasts? I'm thinking about a ~30cm straight, double sided blade with a stabbing tip. I also suggest that the command to fix bayonets be "Straight Silver".

[UristMcWanderer]

How would bayonets and lugs to attach then to the rifles help us in combat against such beasts? I'm thinking about a ~30cm straight, double sided blade with a stabbing tip. I also suggest that the command to fix bayonets be "Straight Silver".

I don't suggest Silver, it's a very soft metal. And why on Earth would you waste such a precious metal in combat where it can get damaged or even destroyed?

[somebody]

How would bayonets and lugs to attach then to the rifles help us in combat against such beasts? I'm thinking about a ~30cm straight, double sided blade with a stabbing tip. I also suggest that the command to fix bayonets be "Straight Silver".

I don't suggest Silver, it's a very soft metal. And why on Earth would you waste such a precious metal in combat where it can get damaged or even destroyed?

"Straight Silver" is the command word to put the bayonets on weapons, not the material.

[UristMcWanderer]

How would bayonets and lugs to attach then to the rifles help us in combat against such beasts? I'm thinking about a ~30cm straight, double sided blade with a stabbing tip. I also suggest that the command to fix bayonets be "Straight Silver".

I don't suggest Silver, it's a very soft metal. And why on Earth would you waste such a precious metal in combat where it can get damaged or even destroyed?

"Straight Silver" is the command word to put the bayonets on weapons, not the material.

Oh, my bad... Never mind me, I'll be leaving now

[Urist McDwarfFortress]

How about we make the bayonets actual knifes (with a handle as well as a barrel mount) like modern armies use.  This would make them much more versatile.

[Morrigi]

How about we make the bayonets actual knifes (with a handle as well as a barrel mount) like modern armies use.  This would make them much more versatile.

That was what I was going for. Also, +1 cookie for reference in my last post

[10ebbor10]

I don't understand why do we need motors? For what tasks? I doubt that heavy machinery is that needed, besides we don't have much fuel\power for that. Low tech solutions are better for such a small setllement

Also, I dislike that hunting trip, while I proposed it before, now we have to few soldiers to risk them for some resources. Because soldeirs aren't renewable resource and their defense is too low for any real combat (Yes, I am advocating body armors yet again)

You generally used the motors for trade. They are quite valuable.

[Morrigi]

If we have rifle bayonets we will have effective melee capability while maintaining ranged fire. Now, we just need some lasguns...

[andy_t_roo]

Sorry, i missed an update, and this forum game fell out of my email list;

i've edited the previous work-list to take into account making bayonets and carbon fiber armor plates (nano fab carbon fiber armor; probably enough for 1 or 2 solders per week, perhaps more of we feed the nanites with more wood, i'll make more armor nanites soon as i agree that we need some armor.

chain mail armor probably isn't the way to go, as it would be too labor intensive to make - we can basically shape any single shaped lump of metal with the forge and associated machinery, or we can make a small amount of absolutely anything via the nano-fab.

We can make ammo for coil guns and normal rifles easly enough now - 1 unit of metal + a few g of basic mysterious powder (once we've researched better explosive nanoids, i'll specialize it for powder - something which we can control like a solid fuel booster would create a really nasty rifle shell/micro-missile (mid course corrections, power on hand, mini-rocket, heat seeking, self guided ... yeah, lots o stuff in a little while

also, despite what you see in the movies, lasers are not that good as weapons ..."In order to be able to start cutting from somewhere else than the edge, a pierce is done before every cut. Piercing usually involves a high-power pulsed laser beam which slowly makes a hole in the material, taking around 5–15 seconds for 1⁄2-inch-thick (13 mm) stainless steel, for example." (from the wiki page on industrial laser cutting; i don't think we could do any better with a hand-held device with our current tech, and this requires short range.

"Aside from the difficulty of acquiring and tracking a different kind of target, ground targets such as armored vehicles and possibly even aircraft are not fragile enough to be damaged by a megawatt-class laser." (from the article on the airborne laser - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_YAL-1 ) (and it can only carry enough lasing fuel for 6 to 20 shots)

railguns, coil guns and particle beams are all quite good weapons which require quite specific shielding to stop.


edit: "A Q-switched Nd:YAG laser normally has pulse duration in the order of nanoseconds, peak power on the order of ten to hundreds of MW/cm2, and a material removal rate of a few micrometres per pulse." (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_drilling ) ; i'm using these comparisons because i think that a hand held device with our tech is equal to industrial devices.
(we don't have the energy supply for anything higher powered, and coil or rail guns scale quite nicely all the way to international weapons, especially when guided)

[10ebbor10]

First week of July

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Definition: "Repair paste": variant of mysterious powder "battery" nanoids which replicate adjacent non-oxidized metal on decomposition. Limitations: simple metalic alloy only(so can do stainless steel but no exotic materials, ceramics, cloth, plastics, etc ...), and magnetic trigger; To use: clean damaged area then fill/cover damaged area with paste, rapidly wave strong magnet over (a small neodynium magnet should be on hand for this); watch as paste repairs target. (note, the trigger is a rapidly changing magnetic field, not a strong one, so keeping the powder in a metal box would shield it from activation)

4 scientists modify the 2 offline mysterious powder creating nanites to create "Repair paste" and are turned on. (This is going to be our top value trade good, if this works). After that they create some nanties focused on forming Carbon fiber Armour plates (as designed earlier).

5 scientists setup the electronics production nanites, and feed them some silicon ore. They also check to ensure that the advanced production nanites can upgrade electronics to advanced electronics.

5 scientists again work on the pattern explosive nanites, this time aiming to ensure that the nanites are triggered via a magnetic signal passed between them (therefore 1 nanite can trigger a pre-defined pattern on the external (non-electrical) trigger)

5 scientists try to organize better control of the nanites so they can assemble solar panels. They also work on the problem from the other direction, and recognize that amorphous solar panels don't need a regular grid to work; just organized layers.

(naturally the computer will be being used overtime here, with several groups doing stuff)

the 5 blacksmiths fire up the forge; 5 engineers, 5 builders work with them to make motors (they pull in other people as needed, we want to maximize motor production for the next 2 weeks)
5 soldiers take 5 guns and 5 swords and make bayonet rifles, so that they won't get caught at mealy range again (I imagine that this will produce some metal scrap, as swords are larger than sensible bayonets; sort of cut swords in half, make new mount compatible with gun barrel, and able to be held when detached)

5 engineers do a chemical analysis of the, Titanium ore, Silicium ore, and iron ore, to check for secondary elements (other than Ti, Si and Fe)

* andy_t_roo assumes that the drill has correct blow-out presenters, its advanced drill head is fine drilling on air circulation, and that the power supply is compatible with the bases. (ebbor: if i didn't list these assumptions, would you even roll to check them, and are you going to roll now that i have listed them? ....)

7 engineers setup the drill on a flat area to the side of the lab, near-enough to the farm and water tank and lab to connect it if we hit water/gas/oil. (2 engineers stand at 1 side checking procedures, and ensuring "Safety First; Zero Harm; etc ...") (i don't mind a productivity drop if we are being careful) )

16 farmers run the fields; 8 farmers, 7 civies, 8 drivers run the orchards

0 scientists work on the bunker, they all seem to be focusing on the nano-factory. By comparing notes do they discover anything new about the nanites, the nanoids, or the factory?

Varinius shows Sophia our recent discovery of the drill rig as it is being set up. He's excited as this is the first real bit of machinery he has had to play with since the "Glitch". (yeah, there's much better things to be doing with 2 heros, but can you imagine our hero *Not* wanting to play with the first real bit of engineering we've done?

Tobias spends the week working on the computer with the guys doing the nanotech. He also checks up on how his radio program is running.

hmm, 35 soldiers and 7 builders remaining (3 injured) ...
5 soldiers man the guard towers
15 soldiers, armed with (5/15) swords and guns go on a hunting trip along the river (swords for for mealy defence as default). They aim to bring back any crocodiles they see, along with anything else they think is worth catching (game may be shot). The soldier that gets the crok that attack his friends gets a field promotion to squad commander. (we do need some type of military commander here, and this is as good excuse as any.)

After checking that nothing else needs help with (i'm not sure how many people the motors will take to make) the 7 soldiers,5 builders, an anyone else idle (no children) take axes and swords and go along also. If they can't find game, they harvest some trees instead.

Work on modifying the nanites goes slowly, and no real progress is made.The Current prototypes suffer from several flaws, including activating at random and not working at all Some nanites are made to construct carbon nanofiber armor. The nanites ain't capable to produce ready to use armor though. Intstead they produce blankets of armor similiar to the thing you found at the store room. The simple electronics nanites are activated and fed some silicon. It seems the production goes well, untill the system automatically shuts down. There seems to be a dangerous build-up of Oxygen, while simply airing the system solves to problem, having to shut down and restart the system constantly severly limits production speed. Having the nanites upgrade normal circuits into complex one is more of a problem, as the complex circuits are seriously different. They would be able to break them down and turn the broken down elements in the complex circuits.

The explosives and solar pannels nanites work. They manage to get both normal solar pannels, and the amorphous sollar pannel Jelly. The normal pannels are seriously more rendable though.

The forge runs constantly, and large amounts of metal and copper are melted. Lot's of the wheelengines are produced too, as all production facilities work at their max capacities. The bayonets are made. They lack the cutting power of the swords, but are easily useable, allowing one to stab the enemy before it can attack them. This will be needed, as most likely they will only have one change at that range.

The chemical analysis is succesfull. Both the Silicium and Titanium are revealed to be metal oxides, while the iron ore doesn't contain much trace materials. Some Neodymium, but nothing of real interest.

Setting up the drill proves problematic. While most of it appears intact, the electronics are not functioning. No wonder, considering the thing has laid in mud and water for quite some time. Meanwhile, nothing knew is found searching through the chematics, as most scientists have enough to do.

The hunting party, miracously, finds no wild. Nothing, at all in fact. Seems like the forests are as dead as the desert. Strange

Wind blows rather hard, and from the South dust clouds can be seen rising. It doesn't look like a Sandstorm however, and is still a long way of.


Traders: (1 weeks till departement)
15 soldiers(  10 armed)
5 engineers
6 drivers
4 civilians
Sophia: Merchant leader

James:  2 lanterns 0/20,  1 rifle
1 driver
1 buggy 6/20

Date: 27 A.A
Bunker/Fort:Spes: South America

Spoiler:  Heroes (click to show/hide)

-Varinius Spyridon:Engineer. +2 Attack, + 2 defense
-Tobias: Scientist.
-James Mendel:  Trade envoy. Smart and trustworthy.

Spoiler: Ores (click to show/hide)

- 67.5 metal ore
- 17.5 copper ore
- 5 Titanium ore
- 4.9 Silicium ore
- 4 iron ore

Spoiler: Raw materials (click to show/hide)

- 3.75 resources (metal)
- 0 metal bars/sheets
- 1 gold/silver
- 2.4 pure iron
- 0 copper
- 0.9 neodymium (I know it's unrealistically much, but just imagine this as a very small pile of neodymium)
- 24 resources (wood)
- 4 poles/plancks (wood)
- 33.5 Lama cloth
- 8 rubber
- 8 glass
- 1 Leukrocrat corpse
- 8 biological resources ( Leukrocrat processed corpse)
- 2 Small Natural gas tank( 0%+50%. A full tank last 2 months at full capacity)
- 0 liter ethanol
- 5 liter He-3

Spoiler: Intermetaire products (click to show/hide)

- 2 pots of glue
- 145 meter of leather hose
- 30 meters of rope
- 21 Wheel engines( Notes, Just metal, no rubber)
- 36 meter of  Superconducting graphene (Very thin wire)
- 111 grammes of mysterious powder
- 1.1 sheet of carbon nanomere wavers
- 4 crates advanced spare Parts
- 4.1 crates with simple spare parts

Spoiler: Tools and weapons (click to show/hide)

- 2 AT-cannon(5 ammo) (1 mounted)
- 1 coilrifle frame
- 19 rifles( +4 to attack)
- 2 crossbows(+2 to attack, long reload)
- 10 crude axes( +4 to attack, doubles woodcutting gains)
- 0 swords.( +6 to attack, melee only)
- 5 Bayonets (+1 to attack, Rapid useage)
- 6 carpentry tools( Can turn logs into planks)
- 15 ammo cases
- 4 lamps
- Breathing apparatus.
- Case with radioactive sign on it
- Drill

Spoiler: Food (click to show/hide)

- 324 food units(1 food feeds 1 person for 1 week)
- [300/300 emergency food]
- 0 grain.( Edible raw, preparation needed before tastyiness)
- 0 food resources( Unedible till prepared)

Spoiler: Vehicles (click to show/hide)

- 1 buggy : 60/60 hp (2 persons and fast. Battery: 20/20 (1 used per 6 hours driving)) +10 to driving [Light armor: +4 defense vs light attacks] (In use)
- 4 carts. 30/30hp o(75 l each)
- Damaged plane. (Wings broken, tails and engines missing.)

Spoiler: People and livestock (click to show/hide)

20 Soldiers (3 wounded)
24 Scientists
12 Engineers
10 Builders
2 drivers (1 away)
5 blacksmiths
24 Farmers
4 civilians
4 children

Spoiler: Buildings (click to show/hide)

- Nuclear bunker: ?? Unpowered, Easy Acces impossible
- Fence: 200/200 hp ( 20  PWunits/ week) OFFLINE
- (2)Gates 100/ 100 hp(N/E)
- Anti-Vehicle Reinforcements: 25/25 hp N and E
- Earthwork Defenses: 50/50 hp S and W
- (1) NE  Watchtower100/100 (AT cannon. 5 ammo) (Stormproof: 25/25)
- (1) NW Watchtower: 100/100 hp
- (1) SE  Watchtower 100/100
- (1) SW Watchtower 100/100
-  Farms: Can grow 5 plots of plants at once. Requires 4 people working per plant plot. Requires water.
             -(1) Grain(4 weeks)   1 weeks left( 275 food)(50 liters of water a week)
             -(1) Grain(4 weeks)   1 weeks left(275 food) (50 liters of water a week)
             -(1) Sugar beets ( 3 weeks ) 2 week  (75 liters of water a week)
             -(1) Sugar beets ( 3 weeks ) 2 week  (75 liters of water a week)
             -(1) Apple trees (4 weeks/harvest) 2 weeks left (150 food)
          -Water tank: 000/3000 liter 30 hp
- Orchid: Can grow 4 plots of trees at once. 5 people per plot.
             -(1) Apple trees (4 weeks/harvest) 1 weeks till mature(150 food)  (50 liter water)
             -(1) Apple trees (4 weeks/harvest) 1 weeks till mature(150 food)  (50 liter water)
             -(1) Apple trees (4 weeks/harvest) 2 weeks till mature (150 food) ( 50 liter water)
           
-Still (1 empty)
             -(1) 50/100 Alcohol (3 weeks)
- Rabbit hutch: 13/24 capacity(1 females, 7 young)
- Rabbit run: 8/10 capacity.(2 males, 1 females, 5 young )

- Secret Research Lab: Heavily damaged, looted( Searched 53%)
    - Capacitor: 705/9950 PW units 50/ 50hp
    - Emergency power generator 100/100 hp (400 PW units/week) Alternator.
    - Solar pannels: 5PW/week
    - Fusion generator: 5/400 hp.
    - 2 Windmills: 50/50 hp + bellows: 25/25 hp  . Connected to project P
    - Radio room 50/50hp (Can send and recieve sattelite and radio data)
    - Kitchen: 75/75 hp (Allows 1 person to prepare 50 food.)
    - Electrical blast furnace + Manual Smithy: 100/100 hp( 100PW units/ week)
    - Magnet creator 40/40 hp( 10 PW )
    - Back-up mainframe: 100/100 hp (20 PW, Hard at work at the moment)
    - Nanoship constructor: 100/100 hp( Functionall. 2/8 creator batches. 8/8 production batches filled)
             -Unknown nanites ( 50 power use)
             -Unknown nanites ( 50 power use) [OFFLINE]
             -Unknown nanites ( 50 power use) [OFFLINE]
             -Graphene producing nanites (50 power use)
             -Graphene armor producing nanites (50 power use)
             -Dissassembly nanites (50 power use)
             -Simple electronics nanites (50 power)
             -Complex electronics nanites (50 power)

Spoiler: Surroundings (click to show/hide)

-Background Radiation: Safe
-Resource depot alpha: Several hours  to the south (75% explored)
-River valley: 2  hours to the East
-Mine settlement: 1 week to the south
-Raiders city: 8 weeks to the East
-Mysterious settlement: Somewhere to the South

Spoiler: Recipes (click to show/hide)

-Crossbow: 2 biological, 1 wood)
Sword: 1 metal
Bayonet: 0.25
-Coil Rifle:[4 meter of graphene, 3 Metal, 1 copper, 1 power/shot ] +5 to attack, medium to long range. +2 vs armored/fast
-Coil anti air turret:[20 meter graphene, 15 metal, 5 copper bars, 50 power] +12 to attack. +4 vs armored/fast
Gas Tanks:
Large: 5 metal bars
Small: 2 metal bars
Carts ( 2 metal, 2 wood per cart) 
Wheel engine: 0.5 copper, 0.5 iron
Buggy frame: 8 metal scrap
Tools : 1 wood, 1 metal per 2 tools
Hose
Glue

Nanite designs:
-Pattern explosives
-Solar pannels

-Normal people: 0 attack, 0 defense
-Soldiers: 2 Attack, 4 defense
-Gate: 1 Attack 4 Defense
-Fence: 4 attack 6 defense
-Antivehicle thingies: 2 Attack 0 defense
-Earthworks: 1 attack, 4 defense
-Watchtower: No Attack: 8 defense
- A-T Cannon: 8 Attack No  defense( Damage spread)
-Armored Vehicle: 0 attack 6 Defense
-Mutant ape: 1 Attack, 1 defense 1 hp
-Wild Dogs: 4 Attack, -4 defense 3hp
-Giant crocodile: 2 attack, 4 defense 10hp
-Leukrokottas: 6 Attack 8 Defense 15 hp

Spoiler: Reactor damage report (click to show/hide)

1. Cooling systems are destroyed, and no cooling liquid remains.
2. The associated power generator is severly damaged, and will need both metal and magnets to repair. Unfortunately standard magnets won't do.
3. Most of the wiring has been destroyed, and needs to be replaced.
4. All computing and control systems are damaged or destroyed.
5. The Reactor chambre is breached in several locations
6. The containment magnets are mostly gone. New ones need to be designed and build.
7. The Heating systems seems to be damaged as well.
8. The vacuum pumps seem to be seriously damaged as well.
That's all they could find for now. They estimate the cost to repair everything to be quite high.
1. 20 metal for the pipes, and you need to procure cooling liquid and pumps from somewhere.
2. 20 Metal. Then either 2 neodymium or 50 meter graphene wire.
3. Either 25 copper or 50 meters of graphene wire
4.10 advanced component crates
5.30 metal, but the current metal isn't thought of to last long.
6. Either 5 Neodymium or 125 meter graphene wire. +40 copper
7.
8.

[SoHowAreYou]

Perhaps we should think about making more nanofactories in the future? Also an electronic prop light drone to fly around and provide aerial recon? Also we should begin to think about constructing macro-robotics as these will be cheaper to make and program. Maybe in the future advance servos to obtain powered prosthetics? Maybe powered suits that aid civilians and military groups? How about a search for fissionables to make long lasting but small batteries? Solar panels to boost electricity for many factories? Set up a university to teach what little culture we know and to train more people? How about we make a sparkling metropolis in the middle of the Amazon using algae derived bio-fuels, nano-medicine, education, protection, and many more things to attract the survivors to our camp.

[Argonnek]

If we can see a dust cloud, that means that it's origin (I'm assuming that it's a group of vehicles) is not too far away. They will likely stop at night to avoid the Leukrokottas, but I believe that they will arrive within a week's time. We should mount one of the AT cannons in a southern tower in preparation.

[andy_t_roo]

All soldiers not needed for rifle production should spend all week getting as much water as possible (we are short on water, because of a couple of interrupted weeks)

atm we only have 2 AT weapons; 1 is in the tower covering the gates, the other i was going to mount in a wheelbarrow for mobile attacks; we wouldn't want 2 bazooka type shots to completely remove our AT defense power.

We should ask Sophia what she thinks of the dust cloud, also ask Sophia if ethanol is a good fuel for her cars, and ask if the merchants would be interested in staying until whatever that is has passed.

NanoFactory:
we don't have the power to run everything ... not even close ...
turn off: Mysterious powder, dissasembly, and electronics nanites.
leave on: graphine, armor producing nanites.

5 scientists should produce a set of boxes to store unused nanites in (probably using glass, as that is air/water/acid/etc.. proof).
1 of the mysterious powder nanites should be converted to explosive nanoids. (if nanites can't be converted, create them instead, unless the glass boxes above are not completed

The scientists should : aim to create the Repair Nanoid Nanites, use the computer to analyze what went wrong last time, and compare the actions of the simulated Nanites to the predicted nanites (they were designed on the computer, so spotting the difference should be relatively easy)

Design high power bullets; the bullet head has pattern explosive paste which detonates from the outside in, creating a very focused high temperature plasma burn as it impacts, a few micro-seconds later the body of the bullet following then hits this  heated and softer, or scorched spot in the armor of the target. If there's some type of active armor, this type of bullet would also trigger it a little early

5 scientists should also look into how to form the nanofiber cloth/plates into armor; specifically how to form them into a set of armor for 1 person. I imagine that these plates are generic and flexable atm, but to turn them into armor they have to be shaped for a specific person. (perhaps a structural metal matrix, perhaps the nano-fab can be convinced to make a solid ceramic instead of a cloth-like fiber, or have i mis-read this?)

5 scientists should divert 1 unit of forge production to make a hand-held gas-tank, and this should be attached to the factory slot with the electronics producing nanites, to be a store for the oxygen (the cutout should only kick in when the back-pressure from the mostly full tank means it can't be filled further), which would be more than a week, given that SiO2 is 1/3 oxygen by weight, and a 50cm x 10cm tank (ie, of the micro size we are making) can hold 200g of oxygen.

(the 200g is from http://www.megamedical.com.au/medical-gases Class C, and gas tanks are typically safety tested to 166% of normal pressure, so i imagine that our tanks could be pressurized to that level, but not have much of a safety margin left. http://www.portablenebs.com/oxygenproducts.htm lists a better tank weight vs storage capacity, but appears to be aluminium tanks at a lower pressure)

5 engineers should fix the drill using whatever materials are needed; once it is fixed, 1 week is all we need to drill a water bore (a drill is capable of running at 100m/ hr while doing simple work; even complex core extraction work is 10 m/hr (heavy/light machinery determines the maximum depth, and not drill penetration rate; current tech light drill rigs are capable of drilling to 400m, medium weight drill rigs (like what i linked) are likely to be able to reach 800m, and a heavy drill rig can reach 1500m (google "UDR 650" and "UDR 1200" for medium weight and heavy rigs used in coal exploration ; oil/gas exploration rigs are another step or 2 above these)

a "good day" doing simple drill work would be 400m, an industry standard "average day" (which many people would be unhappy with) is about 150 m/day, and complex 8" core extraction runs at about 20 m/day.

The forge should spend all but 3 capacity making 3 or 4 coil guns ; we have soldiers without guns, and a fence to hold off hand-to-hand attacks ...
2 capacity should be spent on 2 iron ammo batches compatible with the coil guns, and the last is the tiny gas bottle for the scientists, mentioned above.

(ps, some of my work involves budgets for exploration rigs in the coal mining industry, pm me if you're interested in a more detailed description of what it takes to run a 3 person drill-truck, like what i linked.
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I'm quite busy at work atm, something needs to be done for monday, so i might not be that active for the next few days.