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LurchyMcSmokins

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selling caged creatures
« on: February 15, 2012, 11:52:17 pm »
ok, first actual thread I've ever made, so bare with me.

I have successfully sold non tamed creatures, in cages, to dwarven traders.

to do so, carve out a 5x5 square, just enough for a depot. then carve out a single tile on any of its walls, so that you have a jutting one square. it must be surrounded on three sides with some.movement blocking structure, ie wall tree fortification. construct the occupied cage on the single tile, then deconstruct building. then go to trade depot and select for trading, the cage is now 0 tiles away so does.not have to be moved, but a dwarf must touch it to show up in a trade. sorry if incomprehensible. ask if I need to clarify.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2012, 11:54:40 pm by LurchyMcSmokins »
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Talvieno

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Re: selling caged creatures
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 12:16:09 am »
Yeah, I think I follow... Question, though - what version is it? Is it DFVD/DF2010, or the older 31.25?

I don't think I ever quite tried doing this (or thought of it), as I always build my depots aboveground (though walled in). It makes sense, I suppose... nice idea there. =) I'll have to test it out for myself.
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Re: selling caged creatures
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 12:18:16 am »
Interesting...  I will have to try this out.
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Re: selling caged creatures
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 12:20:33 am »
originally tried it in 2010, and it worked. I commented in a thread few weeks ago talkin bout it. just tried new version, also works. I dunno how to do spoilers or id try to draw it out.


edit:you can also maximiZe this by having multiple single tile cut outs around the edge. I think the most I had was nine.
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 12:44:44 am »
So the diagram should look something like this?

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When a cage is unbuilt, the cage item doesn't appear on the same spot it was built, so if you block off where the cage can fall except for the trade depot, it will fall on the trade depot, and once a dwarf touches it it can be sold. I'd recommend not allowing whatever animal is caged into your animal stockpile while doing this, to make sure the cage doesn't immediately get hauled away once it's unbuilt.
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 12:48:26 am »
yes. exactly, Ty twilight for the diagram. I should note, I don't think you get much for the creature, if anything. I don't know the mechanics to it all. I just know I had seen it before that untamed creatures can't be sold, yet I knew I had done it.

hope this lily bit of info helps someone, or not I don't care, just wanted to feel smart for thinkin of this. : p
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Re: selling caged creatures
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 12:55:05 am »
If this works... Amazing...

You helped at least one person, and hurt a whole lot of elves. Next step is to cage some disease carrying FB's with web...

(Salt water being drinkable with wells, the ability to sell caged animals, what next?)
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Re: selling caged creatures
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 12:57:57 am »
Haha, I know the word of an internet stranger doesn't amount to much, but I gurantee this works. again, don't think they're really worth much. kudos
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2012, 01:01:20 am »
Confirm this and we'll Relativity it.  This is amazing news.  Does the caged creature's value count towards the trade, or just the value of the cage?  Items the creature is wearing?  Is selling whole goblins now an effective economy?
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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2012, 01:03:24 am »
if the wild animals aren't selling for much, could it be that untamed creatures have a value modifier of x0, and the sell price is then just whatever the cage would sell for?

If you're testing this, try having a cage identical to the one the animal being sold is in, and see if there's a difference in the price between them.
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Re: selling caged creatures
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 02:15:06 am »
Can't we just dump cages to the depot? I remember dumped goblins remain in cages.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 02:33:37 am »
ok, at the trade screen right now. a normal wood cage withal peregrine falcon goes for 35ur. a -cage- goes for 20ur. so maybe untamed creatures do sell for some. gonna try to sell an invader or other hostile as soon as I get one.
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 02:50:12 am »
Can you provide us with some screencaps to show that it is indeed an untame creature being traded?
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Re: selling caged creatures
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 02:52:57 am »
What exactly do you mean by "touch"? I can't seem to get it to work... or perhaps you're simply not allowed to sell invaders.  :(
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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2012, 02:56:48 am »
I'm using the internet on my phone, and a borrowed laptop. I can try to get screenshots onto my phone. or maybe just take a pic. lemme wait for the next caravan and ill do my best.
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