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[Mesa]

Truly awesome, I however fear now the trees are too big, or at least I feel they are too big. Or I'm just presenting resistance to change?

There was attention given to hight. Trees can be very tall: think rain forests. As discussed in DF talk, the tallest real life trees would be about 30 tiles tall. I don't know if those made it in.

But the tall trees to present a disparity with single tile creatures. A giraffe isn't going to be able to reach any branches, and a dragon will look the same size as a dwarf next to those trees.

To me that's an issue of multi-tile creatures (or lack thereof) rather than a tree problem.

Dreams of a distant future having a giant beast come to your fort, moving through the forest and knocking over said tall trees like they were twigs *drool*

In the grim, dark future, there is only (d)war(f)...

[LordBaal]

Truly awesome, I however fear now the trees are too big, or at least I feel they are too big. Or I'm just presenting resistance to change?

There was attention given to hight. Trees can be very tall: think rain forests. As discussed in DF talk, the tallest real life trees would be about 30 tiles tall. I don't know if those made it in.

But the tall trees to present a disparity with single tile creatures. A giraffe isn't going to be able to reach any branches, and a dragon will look the same size as a dwarf next to those trees.

To me that's an issue of multi-tile creatures (or lack thereof) rather than a tree problem.

Dreams of a distant future having a giant beast come to your fort, moving through the forest and knocking over said tall trees like they were twigs *drool*

In the grim, dark future, there is only (d)war(f)...

And socks.

[Dirst]

Truly awesome, I however fear now the trees are too big, or at least I feel they are too big. Or I'm just presenting resistance to change?

There was attention given to hight. Trees can be very tall: think rain forests. As discussed in DF talk, the tallest real life trees would be about 30 tiles tall. I don't know if those made it in.

But the tall trees to present a disparity with single tile creatures. A giraffe isn't going to be able to reach any branches, and a dragon will look the same size as a dwarf next to those trees.

To me that's an issue of multi-tile creatures (or lack thereof) rather than a tree problem.

Just wondering if the multi-tile creatures will appear before a more detailed GUI.


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[LordBaal]

For the tallness I expect their symbol to appear across as many z levels as necesary, for thickness they probably will be just as wagons, squares, rounds, lines or whatever. Dunno if another GUI is ever going to be used.

[Putnam]

Truly awesome, I however fear now the trees are too big, or at least I feel they are too big. Or I'm just presenting resistance to change?

There was attention given to hight. Trees can be very tall: think rain forests. As discussed in DF talk, the tallest real life trees would be about 30 tiles tall. I don't know if those made it in.

But the tall trees to present a disparity with single tile creatures. A giraffe isn't going to be able to reach any branches, and a dragon will look the same size as a dwarf next to those trees.

To me that's an issue of multi-tile creatures (or lack thereof) rather than a tree problem.

Just wondering if the multi-tile creatures will appear before a more detailed GUI.


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Doubtful. GUI changes are probably a bit easier than that, y'know?

[Dirst]

Truly awesome, I however fear now the trees are too big, or at least I feel they are too big. Or I'm just presenting resistance to change?

There was attention given to hight. Trees can be very tall: think rain forests. As discussed in DF talk, the tallest real life trees would be about 30 tiles tall. I don't know if those made it in.

But the tall trees to present a disparity with single tile creatures. A giraffe isn't going to be able to reach any branches, and a dragon will look the same size as a dwarf next to those trees.

To me that's an issue of multi-tile creatures (or lack thereof) rather than a tree problem.

Just wondering if the multi-tile creatures will appear before a more detailed GUI.


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Doubtful. GUI changes are probably a bit easier than that, y'know?

Not to wander off into Suggestionland, I can see using X*Y tiles in a graphics set in a straightforward manner.  The issue would be what to do with the Page 437 characters in vanilla.  In my Marksdwarf-meets-his-doom example, the elephant symbol was simply stretched into a 2x2.

[Putnam]

Graphics aren't the issue for multi-tile creatures.

[thvaz]

Graphics aren't the issue for multi-tile creatures.

The biggest problem AFAIK is pathfinding.

[MrWiggles]

Graphics aren't the issue for multi-tile creatures.

The biggest problem AFAIK is pathfinding.

nopes. Well, its the explotations.

[thvaz]

Graphics aren't the issue for multi-tile creatures.

The biggest problem AFAIK is pathfinding.

nopes. Well, its the explotations.

I don't think Toady is concerned with the exploitation by the players. The issue is how the pathfinding's calculations work inside the game, currently it doesn't/can't process impassable tiles related to size of the creatures.

[Dirst]

Graphics aren't the issue for multi-tile creatures.

I was aware that pathing was the current bottleneck, was just wondering what a multitile creature would actually look like.  A real kludge would be to allow exactly two sizes: 1x1 and 3x3 using wagon pathing.  I doubt Toady will take the easy way out, and do pathing properly.

[Lolfail0009]

I doubt Toady will take the easy way out, and instead do pathing properly.

I assume that's what you meant?

[nasobema]

Ah, I saw a 3x3 tree trunk in there.  This requires a dwarf to tunnel under it and carve an up/down staircase right through the middle of it.

How elvish ... although cutting the heart of a tree also sounds like the opposite.

[Manveru Taurënér]

Ah, I saw a 3x3 tree trunk in there.  This requires a dwarf to tunnel under it and carve an up/down staircase right through the middle of it.

How elvish ... although cutting the heart of a tree also sounds like the opposite.

Well, heartwood is already dead, so I don't see why they'd really mind.

[SmileyMan]

These slow-growing large trees might require careful stewardship to ensure a sustainable and steady supply of wood, which is worryingly elvish.

Alternatively, if we can cut them down using a speeding minecart full of giant serrated steel discs, then dwarvishness will be resumed!