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[LordBaal]

He's asking when/if anything beyond those two points are going to be taking into account. For example, a fortress that might be quite rich and has no deaths but is still not a desirable place because something else, like being surrounded by swamps full of zombies or something like that.

[Uronym]

Or when we will be able to tell the migrants that we are not yet ready for them, despite having the best dining hall in the world.

[smjjames]

Or perhaps limit the number at a time and possibly limit the number of children. Also, I've noticed that a lot of the time (in my long running fort at least), the children are bugged since they actually have adult ages, but are still children until their next birthday.

[Jiharo]

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Not really an answer but seems sort of relevant:

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...your fortress in general is a place where the population is increasing.

So, if you add things like hill dwarves, it's not just going to be population increases from like seven dwarves to twenty dwarves to forty dwarves, where you still ultimately aren't a player in the world, to where you'd actually be developing hill dwarf populations up into the thousands and that would make you, within the population of the world - which has cities that don't get bigger than eight thousand or so right now - you would be able to draw a military that could have an impact on the world and you could change your goal to, like, 'I want to destroy the goblin civilization finally'. I'm not sure if the difficulty increases necessarily, but the scope of the challenges increases as you get a larger population, and that would become probably the main measure of the challenges. That seems like a gamey thing, but it's also kind of a natural result of the simulation; it is a little strange that your seven dwarves automatically attract so much attention, you know, why do they become the capital almost inevitably if you're working hard, when everyone else should be working hard too and there's a preexisting capital, right, so why does it get replaced? That's one of the big concessions to gaminess that exists in the current version, even, and it's always going to be like that, where the simulation doesn't actually control what's going on, you do have to think about it as a game, ultimately, because people have to play it. I think that the point that those guys brought up is an important one, that we are going to have a lot of the game progression mechanics things, but it should all flow naturally through the simulation, to the point where it doesn't really disturb it at all, for people who are just playing to see a story or to build something.

Explosive attraction of player's fortress to migrants also seems to be partially caused by the fact that there's such a small number of them starting out. We don't know yet how big are the groups that AI uses for foundation of new sites yet. It is probably safe to think that when we get to the starting scenarios with bigger beginning population, migration system will see some changes.

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There could still be a core seven dwarves, if we want to stick with that out of a sense of tradition, but there are going to be scenarios where you start with a bunch of hill dwarves outside of your civilization, and starting with a larger military group - especially to reclaim a really dangerous fort - seems as cool to me as back when we had it before.

[LordBaal]

A mostly hypothetical question. On the next release what's going to happen if the dwarfs go the dinosaur way and get extinct and you try to embark on a fortress? Probably the same thing that happens in the current release (I don't really know what happens in the current release under that circumstances). But as now the world is starting to wake up, could it be possible for the dwarves from one last fort funded by you and then retired to repopulate the world with more dwarves while you go and play as an adventurer? Or no new places get colonized after world gen right now?
I know, it's a whimsical question, I just happen to be bored and waiting for the clock to go home right now.

[smjjames]

A mostly hypothetical question. On the next release what's going to happen if the dwarfs go the dinosaur way and get extinct and you try to embark on a fortress? Probably the same thing that happens in the current release (I don't really know what happens in the current release under that circumstances). But as know the world is starting to wake up, could it be possible for the dwarves from one last fort funded by you and then retired while you go and play as an adventurer, or no new places get colonized after world gen right now?
I know, it's a whimsical question, I just happen to be bored and waiting for the clock to go home right now.

If all dwarves go extinct, it just aborts the worldgen and tries again unless you have other races set to be fortress playable. I think anyway.

Toady one has said that you can embark on NPC forts, including abandoned ones, so yes you can embark on the ruins of an NPC fort.

[Knight Otu]

If all dwarves go extinct, it just aborts the worldgen and tries again unless you have other races set to be fortress playable. I think anyway.

Nah, the game allows dwarves to go extinct. It just makes sure that a fortress-playable civ exists at the start by default.

[LordBaal]

Edited the question because the last part was spelled like a drunken 5 years old idiot.

[Orange Wizard]

This has probably already been asked, but due to endless frustration while building an aboveground fort, I must know the answer.

Will the bug where dwarves stand on top of the wall they're trying to build be fixed any time soon?

[Footkerchief]

Will the bug where dwarves stand on top of the wall they're trying to build be fixed any time soon?

There's almost never a timeline for fixing specific bugs.  Here's the bug report -- you can monitor it to see any activity.

[Uristsonsonson]

Will the "anything born in the fort doesn't grow to full size" bug only affect the current fort, all player forts, or all forts in general...?

The new release will undoubtedly be awesome, but I'll probably wait until whenever that particular bug is squashed to try it out...

[Lolfail0009]

Will the "anything born in the fort doesn't grow to full size" bug only affect the current fort, all player forts, or all forts in general...?

The new release will undoubtedly be awesome, but I'll probably wait until whenever that particular bug is squashed to try it out...

There is a DFHack script that fixes that bug currently, but I don't know when the bug will be truly fixed.

[Orange Wizard]

Will the bug where dwarves stand on top of the wall they're trying to build be fixed any time soon?

There's almost never a timeline for fixing specific bugs.  Here's the bug report -- you can monitor it to see any activity.

That's a shame. Thanks for the link.

[MrWiggles]

I thought ToadyOne made improvement on dorf logic where they stand for when doing constructs?

[Orange Wizard]

I thought ToadyOne made improvement on dorf logic where they stand for when doing constructs?

Yeah, they no longer wall themselves into places from which they can't get out. Sadly, this brought about the bug I'm complaining about.

It's not really that big, either, just a bit of job cancellation spam. But I hate it all the same.