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Author Topic: Future of the Fortress  (Read 3836457 times)

Eric Blank

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9195 on: February 12, 2014, 01:15:23 pm »

Well, if you're nearly blind the U.S space shuttle does sort of look like an orca...
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9196 on: February 12, 2014, 02:21:49 pm »

If you charge at someone, full speed, weapon drawn, will they perceive an attack before you are right next to them? What about NPC attacks, are they recognized before the enemy is in melee range?

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9197 on: February 12, 2014, 04:19:18 pm »

If you charge at someone, full speed, weapon drawn, will they perceive an attack before you are right next to them? What about NPC attacks, are they recognized before the enemy is in melee range?

This seems to largely overlap with your previous question:
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If you aim an attack at a friendly target, do they realize you are attacking them and are no longer friendly immediately, or after the attack lands, or does it depend on their observer skill? What about witnesses? What if by some fluke the target dies before the hit lands, would a witness still consider that assault?

When attacking with a ranged attack, what counts for witnessing the attack? Does the bystander need to see the you, your target, both, or either?

Yeah, right now they get that information.  Eventually we'll have cause to be more picky about it, but we're more worried about people standing idiotically while you attack them.  I don't recall if the event is generated on the initiation or the strike.  That'll also determine how ranged attacks work.  It's probably on the strike.  This would give them extra information about the shooter since the incident doesn't yet have missing knowledge, but we'll get to fixing that at some point.
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« Reply #9198 on: February 12, 2014, 06:54:42 pm »

Toady...  that crossbowman that shot you five times was an elf, wasn't it?   :P
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9199 on: February 12, 2014, 07:08:13 pm »

Elves? With crossbows?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9200 on: February 12, 2014, 07:11:46 pm »

If you charge at someone, full speed, weapon drawn, will they perceive an attack before you are right next to them? What about NPC attacks, are they recognized before the enemy is in melee range?

This seems to largely overlap with your previous question:
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If you aim an attack at a friendly target, do they realize you are attacking them and are no longer friendly immediately, or after the attack lands, or does it depend on their observer skill? What about witnesses? What if by some fluke the target dies before the hit lands, would a witness still consider that assault?

When attacking with a ranged attack, what counts for witnessing the attack? Does the bystander need to see the you, your target, both, or either?

Yeah, right now they get that information.  Eventually we'll have cause to be more picky about it, but we're more worried about people standing idiotically while you attack them.  I don't recall if the event is generated on the initiation or the strike.  That'll also determine how ranged attacks work.  It's probably on the strike.  This would give them extra information about the shooter since the incident doesn't yet have missing knowledge, but we'll get to fixing that at some point.
There's some overlap, but I want to know if there's a disparity with PC and NPC melee charges. Especially now that we're in the last stretch of changes. Also, Toady talked about how going around with your weapon drawn should eventually matter, and this seems like a case where it really should.

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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9201 on: February 13, 2014, 12:33:47 am »

Elves? With crossbows?

Organic, free range crossbows.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9202 on: February 13, 2014, 01:28:44 am »

I dunno, I think an elf would walk into town, see a whole bunch of non-grown-dwellings and start slaughtering and eating people in the name of its forest gods so it wouldn't even stop to talk and join up with an adventurer.  Leastways, that's the impression I'm getting from the new version.   ;D
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9203 on: February 13, 2014, 01:45:11 pm »

Well, we currently only have evidence that village-village conflicts of this sort occur only within human civilizations, so the companion was probably a human from a different village. Technically could have been an elf born into human civilization, I suppose, but I'd assume they still drop all of their animal-loving elfyness and adopt only human traditions, so the cause would still be that he liked the animals more than Toady due to having a bone to pick with Toady's character's home town and having no relationship with the animals.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9204 on: February 13, 2014, 02:18:18 pm »

I REALLY hope that we see the similar kind of stuff between hill forts or between Elven towns. The human civs can't have all the fun with the new stuff.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9205 on: February 13, 2014, 02:29:27 pm »

Witnessing an elf sneak attack on a dwarf woodcutting site would be quite interesting indeed.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2014, 02:31:28 pm by PigtailLlama »
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9206 on: February 13, 2014, 02:31:18 pm »

And I really hope to recreate this "bug" but with some context ranging from years long plotted revenge to simply being insane or a criminal looking for easy loot and anything in between, like turning over on you for money or simply a change of heart.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2014, 02:49:17 pm by LordBaal »
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9207 on: February 14, 2014, 01:53:04 am »

Witnessing an elf sneak attack on a dwarf woodcutting site would be quite interesting indeed.

I meant the conflict stuff between two dwarven sites or two elven sites, but yes interactions between two races would be good too.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9208 on: February 14, 2014, 07:56:13 am »

Ah the unforeseen consequences of interlinking so much. You think YOUR dialogue tree is expansive? Try this!
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #9209 on: February 14, 2014, 10:07:04 am »

Not gonna properly green this since it's more along the lines of a suggestion, but:

With all of this new conversation stuff, will there be a way to view what people/places/events our character "knows" about?
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