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[PigtailLlama]

Hmm... How are markets built anyways? If it's something akin to workshop creation, then I'd predict that we won't see new markets until workshops are able to generate within sites.

[Valtam]

Wait, I have a community question.
Isn't this release the one in which we're able to barter stuff with random people, not just merchants? Or am I just thinking in a planned-but-no-timeline feature?

If my assumptions are true, then there's not too much need for markets right now, at least if we're venturing through the unexplored frontier.
And now that I think of it...

Toady, how do civilizations stablish their priorities for post worldgen town founding? Does it work the same as the worldgen process (like, looking for the right ecosystem/elevation/savagery/alignment)? If, for example, you somehow hunt down and scour wildlife at an untamed wilds area that is otherwise right for human thriving, does this turn the place into fair game for settlers to come in?

[WillowLuman]

I often see "Blabla was a market created in Kobold Cave" and such when looking through legends. Will the game generate actual kobold markets now, or will it prevent kobolds from making their non-existent markets?

[Footkerchief]

Hmm... How are markets built anyways? If it's something akin to workshop creation, then I'd predict that we won't see new markets until workshops are able to generate within sites.

Can you clarify the question?  The only markets are the ones placed in towns during world gen.  They have hardcoded types of stalls, which are placed by a procedural generation algorithm.  Are you asking if the code uses the same data structure for market stalls and workshops?

I often see "Blabla was a market created in Kobold Cave" and such when looking through legends. Will the game generate actual kobold markets now, or will it prevent kobolds from making their non-existent markets?

This seems like a bug.  Are you using mods?

[CaptainArchmage]

Are we going to see roads expanded during gameplay (not worldgen) for this coming release or is that just going to be left out for now?

I'd really like to see roads get built during gameplay as of the coming release. In 23a, it used to be that when you built a road to the map edge, your fort would get connected up. Unfortunately that has gone out now.

If a dwarven civilization loses a site, can a different dwarven civilization reclaim that site?

Will migrants still stop when the unit list reaches 3000, regardless of the population cap and number of dwarves, or has that changed now?

[MrWiggles]

Are we going to see roads expanded during gameplay (not worldgen) for this coming release or is that just going to be left out for now?

In the last dev log, it says they dont expand roads during game play.

[PigtailLlama]

Hmm... How are markets built anyways? If it's something akin to workshop creation, then I'd predict that we won't see new markets until workshops are able to generate within sites.

Can you clarify the question?  The only markets are the ones placed in towns during world gen.  They have hardcoded types of stalls, which are placed by a procedural generation algorithm.  Are you asking if the code uses the same data structure for market stalls and workshops?

Yeah, pretty much this - Does markets use something like a workshop data structure, or something more towards a farm plot structure, or is it something of its own system?

[Putnam]

They're just barrels as of now, by the looks of it, so neither.

[Valtam]

If a dwarven civilization loses a site, can a different dwarven civilization reclaim that site?

I understand that, as goblins and other creatures (at least in worldgen) can occupy a dwarven site, then there shouldn't be a restriction for another civilization to do it. Also, if a civilization physically crumbles and all it's members die, then their sites should be up for someone else to call dibs on them.

[Mopsy]

Wait, I have a community question.
Isn't this release the one in which we're able to barter stuff with random people, not just merchants? Or am I just thinking in a planned-but-no-timeline feature?

This is the one, unless Toady took it out again.

12/04/2013: You can trade objects with pretty much anybody friendly now, without the requirement that you be in a store, and as long as they'll make out alright, they'll go for it. You can also give anybody anything. It should probably be restricted a bit, since people are more than happy to tear off their shoes for an equal value of food or whatever while they are standing in the mud, and so on, but it does let you give whatever to whomever, which'll help some of the dire equipment problems companions have until we have more time to do something better.

[CaptainArchmage]

Are we going to see roads expanded during gameplay (not worldgen) for this coming release or is that just going to be left out for now?

In the last dev log, it says they dont expand roads during game play.

OK let me make that a bit clearer:

In the devlog you said roads are not expanded during gameplay yet. Is this completely put off for another release or do you think you will get around to it for this one?

Regarding the latest devlog:

If we retire a player fort, will dwarves (or invaders) add new buildings to it?

[Valtam]

I often see "Blabla was a market created in Kobold Cave" and such when looking through legends. Will the game generate actual kobold markets now, or will it prevent kobolds from making their non-existent markets?

This seems like a bug.  Are you using mods?

No mods, at least. I got a single kobold market in 125 years of history. Maybe we'll be able to get down there in the next release, just to understand how does a kobold market work. Now, if it is a bug or not, I would rather think it's a feature, as a marketplace for a community of finder-keepers seems like a must.

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*I really don't know if it's advisable to post images on this thread, or to post this image at all, but it might clarify the existence of kobold markets. End of my derail.

[smjjames]

Will migrants still stop when the dead unit list reaches 3000, regardless of the population cap and number of dwarves, or has that changed now?

Clarified the question as far as the unit list since it's related to the number of dead units. Can't find the relevant bug report, if there is one.

[Knight Otu]

I often see "Blabla was a market created in Kobold Cave" and such when looking through legends. Will the game generate actual kobold markets now, or will it prevent kobolds from making their non-existent markets?

Given that Toady apparently won't get to do kobold sites for this release, no.

I often see "Blabla was a market created in Kobold Cave" and such when looking through legends. Will the game generate actual kobold markets now, or will it prevent kobolds from making their non-existent markets?

This seems like a bug.  Are you using mods?

I'm pretty sure kobold markets are intentional, given the 06/09/11 devlog:

Found my first tower-cap bed in a human's bedroom. It had an image of the foundation of a dwarven mountain hall in giant toad bone. An iron scourge made by the goblins made it to the back of the warehouse as well -- it commemorated a skinless demon becoming the law-giver of the goblin civilization.

[Footkerchief]

I'm pretty sure kobold markets are intentional, given the 06/09/11 devlog:

Found my first tower-cap bed in a human's bedroom. It had an image of the foundation of a dwarven mountain hall in giant toad bone. An iron scourge made by the goblins made it to the back of the warehouse as well -- it commemorated a skinless demon becoming the law-giver of the goblin civilization.

I think you may not have quoted the relevant part:

I also put in some extra precautions and tweaks so that dwarves form markets properly and are more survivable in world gen. Kobolds as well.

I figured "Kobolds as well" just meant the survivability part -- kobold survivability was a known bug at the time.  It's hard for me to imagine kobolds putting together anything as organized as a market.