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[PeterisP]

There have been a lot of changes during the past year or so - are you planning to continue with more features, or to wrap up some of them for a new release of DF?

[nanomage]

I love that sadistic empathic dwarf girl. New personalities are absolutely brilliant.

[Dwarfu]

There have been a lot of changes during the past year or so - are you planning to continue with more features, or to wrap up some of them for a new release of DF?

We are on the downward-sloping cart ride towards a release.

[Manveru Taurënér]

[snip]

Also, sadistic with a good sense of empathy? Those traits kind of conflict there.

Did some quick googling to find a good short explanation of the difference between empathy and sympathy, and came upon this quote...

"[M]aximum cruelty makes use of empathy without sympathy. To hurt someone, you must know what that person's sensitivities and vulnerabilities are, without having compassion or pity for the person's suffering. This is perhaps most obvious in the emotional abuse of intimates or family members. Intimates can say the most hurtful things because they know the other person's areas of vulnerability. The empathic bond is to the other person becomes an instrument to facilitate cruelty."

Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty, p. 245 by Roy F. Baumeister, Ph.D.

This dwarf sounds like a prime candidate

[Knight Otu]

Thanks Toady! Those new values and personality additions look quite interesting. At first glance, though, I kind of miss a Knowledge and/or Wisdom value (Cunning and Skill may be sort of related, but likely not quite) and maybe an Age value, but we can't get everything in one go, obviously.

[Lielac]

[snip]

Also, sadistic with a good sense of empathy? Those traits kind of conflict there.

Did some quick googling to find a good short explanation of the difference between empathy and sympathy, and came upon this quote...

"[M]aximum cruelty makes use of empathy without sympathy. To hurt someone, you must know what that person's sensitivities and vulnerabilities are, without having compassion or pity for the person's suffering. This is perhaps most obvious in the emotional abuse of intimates or family members. Intimates can say the most hurtful things because they know the other person's areas of vulnerability. The empathic bond is to the other person becomes an instrument to facilitate cruelty."

Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty, p. 245 by Roy F. Baumeister, Ph.D.

This dwarf sounds like a prime candidate

Yes, exactly. This dwarf sounds like a prime candidate for diplomatic relations with elves.

[EmeraldWind]

[snip]

Also, sadistic with a good sense of empathy? Those traits kind of conflict there.

Did some quick googling to find a good short explanation of the difference between empathy and sympathy, and came upon this quote...

"[M]aximum cruelty makes use of empathy without sympathy. To hurt someone, you must know what that person's sensitivities and vulnerabilities are, without having compassion or pity for the person's suffering. This is perhaps most obvious in the emotional abuse of intimates or family members. Intimates can say the most hurtful things because they know the other person's areas of vulnerability. The empathic bond is to the other person becomes an instrument to facilitate cruelty."

Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty, p. 245 by Roy F. Baumeister, Ph.D.

This dwarf sounds like a prime candidate

Yes, exactly. This dwarf sounds like a prime candidate for diplomatic relations with elves.

I guess that dwarf is sort of Bay12's spirit dwarf or the High Priest of Armok.

[MasterMorality]

Awesome stuff.

Just want to point out that 'overflated' should either be 'inflated' or 'overinflated' - overflated isn't actually a word.

[smjjames]

Bay12, lets try to figure this out: What historical person is that emperor dwarf? I'd say Frederick the Great...

Could work, though Frederick the Great was a bit of a naturalist and he did serve in the army. I don't see that dwarf as ever having been or being a soldier, at least a melee dwarf.

[Neonivek]

overflated isn't actually a word.

Well it is a word, just not one in the dictionary.

Times like this makes me think Franklin and Oxford are evil emperors of the English language.

Though another way to say it that it is word. It is Inflated with over being used as a prefix.

[Rose]

Oxford's goal was never too control the English language, only to document it.
People are constantly adding new words into dictionaries that come into common usage.

[WillowLuman]

Dreams to see the natural wonders of the world?

Sounds Elfy, but bear in mind that Dwarfs have an appreciation for nature, too. They probably wonder at natural geological marvels such as Mountains, the Caverns, and the Magma sea.

I can just imagine the whole Gimli vs. Legolas thing. "I'll come look at your pretty forest, if you'll come see these awesome crystal formations in this cave."

[Footkerchief]

Lots of cool info in there.  Thanks!

In adventure mode, I'm still not sure overall how I want to handle it.  The game occasionally tells you when your character won't do things, but that's odd.  You could do anything you want without personal penalty, do it but get some sort of broad depressiony minuses if it clashes with how you wanted your character to be (or some other penalty), or just not be allowed to do it.  I'd lean toward the first two.  The trick is to find the proper penalty.  We'd like to unfetter your options but find some proper cost if the game knows how you want to play (the flipside would be "rewards" for playing according to ethics/role/etc.), without it being too game-y.

This is different from someone else in your civ seeing or hearing about you doing it, which would always be looked on through their own ethics and not yours.

It would be interesting for your companions to gain insight into your ethics over time, and remark on you not acting like yourself.  Maybe your answer to them could result in a permanent personality change.  Arguably game-y, but also a way to intertwine plot and character arcs, as in the Hero's Journey.  It's probably even more important for your companions and other NPCs to be similarly transformed by their experiences, for better or worse.  The storytelling will go to a whole new level when contextual motivations like revenge come into play.

[WarRoot]

I'm excited

Dreams to see the natural wonders of the world?

Sounds Elfy, but bear in mind that Dwarfs have an appreciation for nature, too. They probably wonder at natural geological marvels such as Mountains, the Caverns, and the Magma sea.

I can just imagine the whole Gimli vs. Legolas thing. "I'll come look at your pretty forest, if you'll come see these awesome crystal formations in this cave."

Just accept it dude, only hippy dwarves have an appreciation for nature, others would rather flood the caverns with magma than marvel at it, especially with all the hideous creatures that crawl out of them.

[smjjames]

Dreams to see the natural wonders of the world?

Sounds Elfy, but bear in mind that Dwarfs have an appreciation for nature, too. They probably wonder at natural geological marvels such as Mountains, the Caverns, and the Magma sea.

I can just imagine the whole Gimli vs. Legolas thing. "I'll come look at your pretty forest, if you'll come see these awesome crystal formations in this cave."

Like I said, not all natural wonders of the world are neccesarily about plants, there are natural geological wonders as well.

I wouldn't mind having such outliers in dwarven society as the ones that Toady listed, variety is a good thing.

Can't wait for the new version so that we don't have to destructively abandon forts that are functional or even self sustaining.