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[Man In Zero G]

...there is a climbing skill now, and things like constructed block walls are harder to climb than constructed rough walls...

Please, please tell me- Does this mean invaders who potentially have the climbing skill can and will be scaling our otherwise impenetrable walls?
I am more excited about this possibility than just about everything else so far.

[Knight Otu]

...there is a climbing skill now, and things like constructed block walls are harder to climb than constructed rough walls...

Please, please tell me- Does this mean invaders who potentially have the climbing skill can and will be scaling our otherwise impenetrable walls?
I am more excited about this possibility than just about everything else so far.

No, not yet, but Toady wants it to happen, too.

so are we getting climbing invaders?

It's not likely to happen for this release, although I'm enthusiastic about having that kind of churning overrun feeling happen to you eventually.  There's a chance some part of it'll happen automatically when I look back at climbing AI before the release, but it's a coin toss.

Since then, Toady hasn't mentioned adding climbing AI for invaders. Unless he wants to keep it secret, it isn't likely to happen.

[Rose]

Will we be getting generated fotress screenshots, or will those be a surprise?

[Bloax]

Is the Adventure mode questlog going to be made slightly more useful?
There's already a key (m) that's supposed to show information, but instead of something minorly useful like a log of the quest giver's words, it only shows the name and race of the target.

A log of the questgiver's words would at least provide you with a description of your target, because something like "Kill Atir Ragthroat | dwarf" doesn't provide you with information of what Atir really is.
Is he a werewolf? Is he a vampire? Or something else due to mods? Who knows, certainly not you if you forgot it! Which is very likely with a lot of quests.. And this is where a quest log should come in, after all.

but alas, all the quest log says to you only to kill Atir Ragthroat, a dwarf.
The problem comes in when you forget that Atir Ragthroat is a master vampire due to you playing with a mod that can do that, and that master vampires are actually very lethal.
Now, if only you had logged that little detail in your quest log, you'd know exactly who's who. But currently you don't, and that's a bit silly.

[CaptainArchmage]

How easy will it be to climb log walls made from wood, or walls made from metal bars? If walls made from metal bars are like a sheet of metal, would it be possible to climb them (in-game) at all, or would they act as smooth rock walls?

...there is a climbing skill now, and things like constructed block walls are harder to climb than constructed rough walls...

Please, please tell me- Does this mean invaders who potentially have the climbing skill can and will be scaling our otherwise impenetrable walls?
I am more excited about this possibility than just about everything else so far.

No, not yet, but Toady wants it to happen, too.

so are we getting climbing invaders?

It's not likely to happen for this release, although I'm enthusiastic about having that kind of churning overrun feeling happen to you eventually.  There's a chance some part of it'll happen automatically when I look back at climbing AI before the release, but it's a coin toss.

Since then, Toady hasn't mentioned adding climbing AI for invaders. Unless he wants to keep it secret, it isn't likely to happen.

Climbing A.I. may be implemented in DFhack, as with Digging A.I..

[Baffler]

Will modders be able to specify plans for a tree's shape and appearance in the RAWs?

for example, will we be able to specify that a tree has almost no leaves, or that its branches only form above a certain height, and to a certain length?

[Putnam]

Will modders be able to specify plans for a tree's shape and appearance in the RAWs?

for example, will we be able to specify that a tree has almost no leaves, or that its branches only form above a certain height, and to a certain length?

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=100851.msg4454200#msg4454200

To be exact:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

For trunk, branches, etc. just numbers to control things, no units, still subject to tweaking.  I'm still formalizing the exact root and cap params from my hard-coded test values, and that'll continue as I add more new critters.


[TRUNK_RATE:10]
[HEAVY_BRANCH_DENSITY:2]
[BRANCH_DENSITY:10]
[MAX_TRUNK_HEIGHT:5]
[HEAVY_BRANCH_RADIUS:1]
[BRANCH_RADIUS:2]
[TRUNK_BRANCHING:2]
[MAX_TRUNK_DIAMETER:3]
[TRUNK_WIDTH_RATE:200]


I don't remember if the twig density stuff is still hard-coded, but if it is, it'll be out by release time.


[STANDARD_TILE_NAMES] <-- there are tags like TRUNK_NAME, ROOT_NAME etc. if you don't want "mango trunk", "mango roots" etc.


Mango leaves/flowers/fruit (no seeds yet):


[GROWTH:LEAVES]
   [GROWTH_NAME:mango leaf:mango leaves]
   [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
   [GROWTH_DENSITY:1000]
   [GROWTH_HOST_TILE:BRANCHES_AND_TWIGS]
   [GROWTH_HOST_TILE:SAPLING]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:0:6:2:0:0:ALL:1]
[GROWTH:FLOWERS]
   [GROWTH_NAME:mango flower:STP]
   [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
   [GROWTH_DENSITY:1000]
   [GROWTH_HOST_TILE:BRANCHES_AND_TWIGS]
   [GROWTH_TIMING:60000:119999]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:5:5:4:0:1:60000:119999:2]
[GROWTH:FRUIT]
   [GROWTH_NAME:mango:STP]
   [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:FRUIT]
   [GROWTH_DENSITY:1000] <-- this and the flower entry will probably be decreased when it matters more
   [GROWTH_HOST_TILE:BRANCHES_AND_TWIGS]
   [GROWTH_TIMING:120000:200000]
   [GROWTH_DROPS_OFF_NO_CLOUD]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:'%':7:4:0:1:120000:200000:3]
   Format here is character on branch, item character, 3 for color, season timing, print priority (higher better).


To do autumn leaves, you use several growth prints.  This info carries over to picked/fallen items.  Here's a maple leaf:


[GROWTH:LEAVES]
   [GROWTH_NAME:maple leaf:maple leaves]
   [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
   [GROWTH_DENSITY:1000]
   [GROWTH_HOST_TILE:BRANCHES_AND_TWIGS]
   [GROWTH_HOST_TILE:SAPLING]
   [GROWTH_TIMING:0:300000]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:0:6:2:0:0:0:209999:1]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:0:6:6:0:1:210000:239999:1]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:0:6:4:0:1:240000:269999:1]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:0:6:4:0:0:270000:300000:1]
   [GROWTH_DROPS_OFF]


Notably, I'm still missing size information for the items.

Meadowsweet buds/flowers used in grass file:


[GROWTH:BUD]
   [GROWTH_NAME:meadowsweet bud:STP]
   [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
   [GROWTH_DENSITY:1]
   [GROWTH_TIMING:140000:149999]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:0:7:2:0:0:NONE]
[GROWTH:FLOWER]
   [GROWTH_NAME:meadowsweet flower:STP]
   [GROWTH_ITEM:PLANT_GROWTH:NONE:LOCAL_PLANT_MAT:STRUCTURAL]
   [GROWTH_DENSITY:1]
   [GROWTH_TIMING:150000:250000]
   [GROWTH_PRINT:5:5:7:0:1:150000:250000]


For item breath, where you'd normally put the breath weapon type after the material, you put.


UNDIRECTED_ITEM_CLOUD:<item type>:<subtype>
TRAILING_ITEM_FLOW:<item type>:<subtype>


The new type/subtype pair for plant growths is PLANT_GROWTH:<growth token>, with whatever material you want (generally the right one from the plant).

[SmileyMan]

OK, so it's not coming yet, but I'm having so many happy daydreams about climbing invaders...

Making the only entrance to your buttoned fortress a tall barely-climbable block wall, with scores of arrow slits opposite.....

[Pirate Bob]

OK, so it's not coming yet, but I'm having so many happy daydreams about climbing invaders...

Making the only entrance to your buttoned fortress a tall barely-climbable block wall, with scores of arrow slits opposite.....

That's an interesting point - adding climbing skill for invaders might actually make it easier to defend a fortress, as you could just pull up a drawbridge etc. to block your main entrance, leaving the poor gobbos trying to climb a sheer wall.  If the wall was tall enough, you might not even need to bother with the archers...

Maybe Toady has already thought of this sort of thing, and is waiting to add climbing at the same time he adds digging and some kind of AI to make "intelligent" decisions about the best way for invaders to assault a fortress?

[Aseaheru]

If only they could blow up walls with dead pigs...

[theqmann]

Now that combat has been updated, can you give us any details (or equations/code) on how weapon-target interactions work?  Preferably also with some notion of how the numbers in the raws affect things.

You also mentioned that skulls are harder now than before versus blunt objects, does that apply to other things, like armor or other body parts?  Does this mean blunt weapons are now less effective than they previously were?
 

[Putnam]

weapon-target interactions work?
 

[theqmann]

weapon-target interactions work?
 

Like when a dwarf swings a bronze axe at another dwarf with a iron mail shirt, what happens?  How do the weapon & armor raws affect whether the defender gets limbs removed, or bones broken, or no damage at all?  Does it multiply the dwarf's strength times the weapon weight vs the armor material shear fracture strength times some constant?  What about against a bronze breastplate, or leather cloak, or silk cap (or 3 caps for that matter, since many items can have multiple copies worn simultaneously)?

People have done arena testing, but there's a lot of variability to that, with relatively few conclusions drawn (those being armor material levels (copper < iron < steel) and some weapon generalities (blunt is better for breaking bones, slicing better for chopping off limbs))

edited: typos

[Mel_Vixen]

Iirc there shouldnt be much change except for some sturdier skulls. The most changes regard the pacing of making making it quicker and more versatile with reaction-moments.

[pedrousz]

...there is a climbing skill now, and things like constructed block walls are harder to climb than constructed rough walls...

Please, please tell me- Does this mean invaders who potentially have the climbing skill can and will be scaling our otherwise impenetrable walls?
I am more excited about this possibility than just about everything else so far.

No, not yet, but Toady wants it to happen, too.

so are we getting climbing invaders?

It's not likely to happen for this release, although I'm enthusiastic about having that kind of churning overrun feeling happen to you eventually.  There's a chance some part of it'll happen automatically when I look back at climbing AI before the release, but it's a coin toss.

Since then, Toady hasn't mentioned adding climbing AI for invaders. Unless he wants to keep it secret, it isn't likely to happen.

With the inclusion of climbing, will this also mean including tools to assist with climbing, such as grappling hooks and stakes to nail down and tie rope to them? Will wells become access points to caves and caverns?

Nah, we had originally wanted to get to some of that, but it has all been pushed along, I think.  Do you mean wells in human towns?  I don't remember what they do now if there's a shallow layer.  Generally the layers are too far down.  Or do you mean a well you make in your fort?  We'll need climbing AI for that, which is either going to be non-existent or very shallow for this release.