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[arkhometha]

On adding gay dwarves to DF:

Obviously, that'd be a touchy and controversial subject. It's a "hot" political and religious topic right now.

Haha, legal gay marriage might be controversial (in some places), but the existence of homosexuality is pretty well settled at this point, I think.

I don't see why Toady would do it, I'd rather have him spend his time making the game than adding flavor for people.

[NW_Kohaku]

Haha, legal gay marriage might be controversial (in some places), but the existence of homosexuality is pretty well settled at this point, I think.

It doesn't matter, it's a lightning rod for trolling or abusive posting. 

Did you look at those threads linked back from where you quoted? Half of them end in Toady saying "This thread has been reported several dozen times per day, so it's locked. I banned so-and-so."

And those are the threads that were merely locked - there are more that had so much crap in them that they were deleted (and more people banned).

So, again, don't bring the topic up in this thread, as it tends to attract the sort of people who make inflammatory statements who only wind up getting banned.

I don't see why Toady would do it, I'd rather have him spend his time making the game than adding flavor for people.

As if the game isn't full of flavor already...  It's not like it had to be dwarves and elves and goblins.

It'll probably go in when Toady has done enough personality rewrites to make any sort of romance actually possible.  And yes, I'd actually like to see personality advances worked on to the point where dwarves have goals and desires and act upon them rather than being happy automatons until the day their happiness meter hits 0 and they go into self-destruct rampage mode.

[eux0r]

to the crossbow-people:
i think the two first guys on the topic are talking about different stuff, one is talking about the projectiles flying too fast through the air, the other one about crossbows taking long to reload and then people started discussing past each other...

edit: damn typos

[UristTheGrey]

Since camps were fixed, do you plan on adding a non-animal tribes? Maybe like a barbaric dwarf tribe that acts like a bandit camp. You could perhaps get a quest to wipe them out or maybe try to befriend them

Is this too much right now or is there something similar planned in a future release?

[Organum]

Since camps were fixed, do you plan on adding a non-animal tribes? Maybe like a barbaric dwarf tribe that acts like a bandit camp. You could perhaps get a quest to wipe them out or maybe try to befriend them

Is this too much right now or is there something similar planned in a future release?

If you've got a question for Toady, you're supposed to make it green.

[Trif]

Since camps were fixed, do you plan on adding a non-animal tribes? Maybe like a barbaric dwarf tribe that acts like a bandit camp. You could perhaps get a quest to wipe them out or maybe try to befriend them

Is this too much right now or is there something similar planned in a future release?

Dwarfs can already become bandits.
But regarding non-animal tribes, the plan is to randomly generate creatures that form tribes and civilizations eventually. Toady and Threetoe talked about it in the last DF Talk:

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Threetoe: Okay, this next question is from James, he asks 'Will you ever begin to include randomized main races, or will the player interactable races always be limited to token dwarves, elves, goblins and humans? And a smattering of chimera tribes' ... the animal people.
Toady: Is that what he means by the smattering of ... I don't know how to say these words, is it chimera? Yeah, it must be the animal people. Unless you meant something else.
Threetoe: Yeah, we could always just call the animal people something else, other than turtle man, we could make it some other name and still be a turtle man.
Toady: I think it's always been in the plan to have randomized main races, it was up on the old dev pages, I don't remember if it made it anywhere on the new dev pages or not? I think it might actually be there. Maybe not. It would be the last one, because doing randomized civilizations is an extra step beyond randomized monsters. Because we've kind of been easing in, we have the forgotten beasts now, we've got the titans, those are randomized. We have some of the underworld creatures randomized and we wanted to ease in to having some of the regular kind of monsters in the woods and stuff, randomizing those with a few extra night creature entries at some point and then kind of ease in to having some randomized regular creatures and then finally adding in randomized civilization creatures. The problem with randomized civilization creatures is there needs to be a lot of exposition or you're just going to be completely confused about what's going on, but it would definitely be an option, I think there would be a slider or something for how strange you want your world to be because we definitely think having dwarves and elves and goblins is cool for a lot of people just to kind of understand what's going on without having to do a lot of extra reading.

None of that will happen in the next release.

[New man]

In current version I can't use tunnels for Fast travel. Will you fix this? Please, make our travels more comfotable.

[Putnam]

In current version I can't use tunnels for Fast travel. Will you fix this? Please, make our travels more comfotable.

That's a suggestion.

Anyway, define "tunnels".

[WillowLuman]

Tunnels dug by world gen gobbos and dwarves, I presume?

Wait, does this mean surface animal people are getting camps and mini-civs like the cavern ones?

Also, the thing about the randomly generated mix-n-match critters, like scaled mammals or furred reptiles or birds with spider legs, they all seem about the same somehow. What's the difference between demons and forgotten beasts if they can both be giant firebreathing skinless hamsters?

[Inarius]

My question (I wanted to talk about it a few days ago, but seeing the word tunnel reminded it to me) :

If I, as a Dwarf, build a fortress which creates a tunnel under a portion of water between two places (which would be, otherwise, very distant, and suddenly becomes much nearer), will the game "knows" it, and will friendly army could use it to travel to the other side to attack sites on the other side ? I mean, even if i retire, for example ?


Typical example of this kind of maps : http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/screens/medium.png , in the bottom. Going from one side to another takes months. Imagine there are goblins on the left side, and humans on the other side and that you build a 4x4 fortress in the middle, with a "tunnel" between the two banks of the strait ?

[mastahcheese]

If I, as a Dwarf, build a fortress which creates a tunnel under a portion of water between two places (which would be, otherwise, very distant, and suddenly becomes much nearer), will the game "knows" it, and will friendly army could use it to travel to the other side to attack sites on the other side ? I mean, even if i retire, for example ?

Toady already stated that moving npcs will activly avoid player sites for various purposes, so I doubt they would be able to know

[King Mir]

My question (I wanted to talk about it a few days ago, but seeing the word tunnel reminded it to me) :

If I, as a Dwarf, build a fortress which creates a tunnel under a portion of water between two places (which would be, otherwise, very distant, and suddenly becomes much nearer), will the game "knows" it, and will friendly army could use it to travel to the other side to attack sites on the other side ? I mean, even if i retire, for example ?


Typical example of this kind of maps : http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/screens/medium.png , in the bottom. Going from one side to another takes months. Imagine there are goblins on the left side, and humans on the other side and that you build a 4x4 fortress in the middle, with a "tunnel" between the two banks of the strait ?

Assuming you retired the fort, based on how Toady has talked about patrols being aware of bridges, I expect this to work. However, Toady has also said armies don't yet need a bridge to cross a river outside a site.

[CaptainArchmage]

The end is finally in sight. It took a long time, but the last devlog (as of 3rd March 2013) shows that a few things are also going to be fixed. It looks like certain regions will become more habitable.

When you say some reaction things will be fixed, are those to do with the new combat system or the building reactions (i.e. custom production of gauntlets or boots or whatever it is that is bugged)?

Now that undead are going to have pulping and rebalancing, are we also going to see secure sarcophagi, so properly buried dwarves will no longer get out of storage?

Looking forward to the release.

[Inarius]

Assuming you retired the fort, based on how Toady has talked about patrols being aware of bridges, I expect this to work. However, Toady has also said armies don't yet need a bridge to cross a river outside a site.

To cross rivers, yes. But seas ? My question was if you build a fortress which creates a channel between two sides of a sea (not a river) and after that retire (or not), will armies take this into account for trade or war ?

[Eric Blank]

Wait, does this mean surface animal people are getting camps and mini-civs like the cavern ones?

I don't think Toady is going to add any extra site types for the moment, but I definitely want to be able to define these sorts of mini-civs which have minimal influence and footprint on their surroundings yet have some civ-like behaviors like living in a specific location as a community and making their goods like clothing and tools, having historical figures like the tribe leader etc. Toady, will we ever see the cavern civ code used above-ground, where a mini-civ could exist as something other than a gang of bandits (although technically they could be a tribe of jerks who steal and murder)? Will we see any more detail put into the cavern civs' sites, culture, and behaviors as well?