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[EmeraldWind]

The basic three-way split is between hill dwarf sites near the mountain on the surface, deeper sites under the mountains that have no direct external exit, and fortresses, which connect the surface to the underground and are the same sort of sites that you create. The nobility are also going to be adapted to this new layout. We might not get to the involvement of hill dwarves and deeper sites with your fortress during play for this release, since that's another involved addition, but we will be laying the groundwork for that here.

Can you clarify what you mean here? What are these undergrounds sites supposed to represent? Are they dwarven made or something that just exists?

You make them sound distinctly separate from the fort layouts and make them sound like they will be added to fort mode and therefore not a current part of it.

I'm curious because if these areas are hidden and you can occasionally dig into one that could be kind of cool, but it also sounds like it could be something else too.

   

[bombzero]

Odd I thought Crossbows were REALLY toned down (In fact possibly TOO toned down)

When did they become overpowered all over again?

Well, the issue is they're never quite toned down "right", projectile weapons have always been quirky in DF on account of that they have to work in both adventure mode and fortress mode, I'm hoping with Toady's new changes to combat he can properly fix them now that he has multiple attack phases and possibly new weapon properties to play with.

[darklord92]

With the inclusion of underground sites, will tunnels be reintroduced to worldgen? and will they on longer be blocked up in fort mode so that dwarven caravans can enter your fort through the underground.

[Vattic]

With the dwarven sites is there the possibility of whole mountain ranges carved inside into giant dwarven cities, riddled with corridors and rooms and similar not unlike Moria, or are you thinking smaller?

[misko27]

The basic three-way split is between hill dwarf sites near the mountain on the surface, deeper sites under the mountains that have no direct external exit, and fortresses, which connect the surface to the underground and are the same sort of sites that you create. The nobility are also going to be adapted to this new layout. We might not get to the involvement of hill dwarves and deeper sites with your fortress during play for this release, since that's another involved addition, but we will be laying the groundwork for that here.

Can you clarify what you mean here? What are these undergrounds sites supposed to represent? Are they dwarven made or something that just exists?

You make them sound distinctly separate from the fort layouts and make them sound like they will be added to fort mode and therefore not a current part of it.

I'm curious because if these areas are hidden and you can occasionally dig into one that could be kind of cool, but it also sounds like it could be something else too.

   

Sounds like totally underground dwarven cities, and forts are the (heavily guarded) surface entrance/outposts.

[Cobbler89]

Will there ever be an option for Fort Mode to play as a deep mountain site? I.e. is the description of (paraphrasing) "fortresses are what you play as in fort mode, but in addition we're adding hill settlements and deep sites inside mountains" merely indicative of how these sites compare to what is currently in fort mode, or is this restrictive in that we should not expect to be able to play these other new types of sites anywhere down the road?

[FearfulJesuit]

With the dwarven sites is there the possibility of whole mountain ranges carved inside into giant dwarven cities, riddled with corridors and rooms and similar not unlike Moria, or are you thinking smaller?

That sounds like hell on FPS, and worldgen...

[misko27]

Will there ever be an option for Fort Mode to play as a deep mountain site? I.e. is the description of (paraphrasing) "fortresses are what you play as in fort mode, but in addition we're adding hill settlements and deep sites inside mountains" merely indicative of how these sites compare to what is currently in fort mode, or is this restrictive in that we should not expect to be able to play these other new types of sites anywhere down the road?

Sounds like something for later.

[Osmosis Jones]

Playing as a deep fortress could be interesting... especially if it generated as an entirely underground region (i.e. the highest point of the map is still subterranean) and you spawned in a cavern or on a deep road.

[Ribs]

I think that playing as a "deep mountain site" is not planned. It looks like they'll be the dwarven equivalent of human cities. As will the aboveground "hill dwarven sites" be the dwarven equivalent to human farming villages. And if that's the case, the biggest limitation will be the sheer size and population density.

I'm curious to know if we'll be able to link ourselves through underground roads leading to the formation of these "deep sites" on the outskirts of our fortresses.

Do you plan on having underground cities forming themselves semi-independently around your fortress, just like you plan to have aboveground villages being formed on surrounding territory as the game progresses?

[CaptainArchmage]

Wall of questions:

Will we have underground roads built over the cavern floors in this release, or tunnelled out roads?

Does the king live exclusively in a fortress, or elsewhere (i.e. in a deep settlement or hill settlement).

If we're getting underground roads and tunnels, will dwarven merchants arrive through the caverns? If so will they be more proactive in choosing the caverns as their exit?

As we're getting deep settlements, will migrants arrive through the cavern layers or underground tunnels?

If caravans and/or migrants arrive through the cavern layers and tunnels, would they still be able to arrive during sieges on the surface? If we get underground sieges, will there be a differentiation between the levels that are being sieged and the levels not being sieged to allow migrants to arrive some way or other (i.e. by means of a sealed underground road that leads to the next fortress)?

Which cavern layer will dwarf settlements reach down to? If they can reach down to the second or third cavern layer, does that mean they will be able to harvest the resources of that layer (i.e. so we can order Blood Thorns from the caravan)?

If we tunnel down to the HFS and establish a fortress in there, does that mean dwarves will set up deep settlements there as well?

Will other races set up trading outposts around our fortresses as they grow?

You've mentioned that the hill dwarf settlements are close to the mountains, fortresses are in the mountains, and deep settlements are underground connected to the surface through fortresses. What happens when the fortresses - such as player fortresses - are located outside of the mountains? Many players do things like embarking in jungles or in deserts or on remote islands, so in those cases would deep settlements appear around the player fortress? If the settlement is remote, would we be able to get migrants or caravans through the underground in the absence of ships and boats?

With all the new things in worldgen, how is its speed looking? Is it running slower than in 0.34.11?

Commentry:

Personally, I'm expecting the naval release to be coming up along with the tavern release, unless we get taverns in this release which is not too unreasonable (@Toady: With all the nonlethal combat and so on thus far, are we likely to get taverns in the upcoming release?). There is a direct connection between taverns and the navy and colossal bar fights and bandits and pirates, after all. This would require the addition of ports and naval towns, though that might be relatively simple given all that has gone in. Given the movement, however, we may have to wait until armies are properly sorted out.

We'll need and get another UI addition for controlling things that happen in the world. For example, we could have a system to assign a squad of dwarves to work off-site, say, in building a road to the nearest friendly settlement (this was emulated in the 2D version, where on finishing a road out to the map edge, a road would appear beyond the build-able space indicating that the connection had been made). This would mean calling up a world map to design the route. The fortress would need to supply the building materials and logistics (wagon with animals). This would also give more reason to have architects in your fortress, as good architects could be able to estimate the amount of resources and time it would take to build a road, and their presence would speed up construction somewhat.

[Man In Zero G]

Can you clarify what you mean here? What are these undergrounds sites supposed to represent? Are they dwarven made or something that just exists?   

Sounds to me like they're just more hill dwarf towns, but built entirely in the cavern layers. You know, where they're farming underground crops for the booze, syrup, sugar, cloth, and plump helmets the caravans keep trying to sell you. Similarly logging camps harvesting the mushroom trees, and deep mines for all those logs, stones, and metals they love to sell you.

It's not some new fun thing we'll be digging into by accident, it's a new fun thing that will develop and attach to our forts during play, just like the surface hill dwarf sites.

[misko27]

Going into the HFS is a player driven decision, so I doubt other forts will do likewise.

[Footkerchief]

The basic three-way split is between hill dwarf sites near the mountain on the surface, deeper sites under the mountains that have no direct external exit, and fortresses, which connect the surface to the underground and are the same sort of sites that you create. The nobility are also going to be adapted to this new layout. We might not get to the involvement of hill dwarves and deeper sites with your fortress during play for this release, since that's another involved addition, but we will be laying the groundwork for that here.

Can you clarify what you mean here? What are these undergrounds sites supposed to represent? Are they dwarven made or something that just exists?

You make them sound distinctly separate from the fort layouts and make them sound like they will be added to fort mode and therefore not a current part of it.

I'm curious because if these areas are hidden and you can occasionally dig into one that could be kind of cool, but it also sounds like it could be something else too.

They're generally discussed as dwarven made, although you can expect them to intersect with the underground horrors and get colonized by goblins and so on.  This goal has been around for a while:

Bloat172, DEEP SITES, (Future): There should be more interesting sites deep in the mountains, and it should be possible for you to create multi-tile tunnels under mountain ranges with various sites of your making and not of your making on the way.

Rainseeker:   Okay, XSI asks: [8]'Dwarven strongholds seem to have tunnels between them, would it be possible to eventually make one of those in fortress mode; probably useful to get migrants and dwarf caravans while being sieged?'
Toady:   I think there's a dev item on that, I don't know if it was called 'deep outposts' or something like that, and I think it originally sprang forth from a suggestion someone posted so there's probably a few posts on it as well. We're definitely for that; the issues that arise are the same issues that always arise when you have off-site sites. How do you connect it up? How does digging commence off map? And the same thing would go to like building an aboveground wall, or aboveground roads and that kind of thing; how do you build that site when your view is restricted to a single fortress? But I think those questions are just a matter of making a good decision about it; I don't think that they're super hard and we're definitely planning to do that, especially because those tunnels are there. The fact that the tunnels are there is one of those things that kind of demands satisfaction in terms of actually being able to do it yourself or getting rid of them. So it's just a matter of ... Right now you can't designate digging on the edge of your map, and if you can designate 'I want to dig there, I want to dig a tunnel' then that's got to be some kind of special requirement or you have to have say five or six miners leave the map and do that digging for you and it's going to tie into a number of things. It's going to tie into having little - like when you become a capital - having outposts outside of your map and sending armies off the map, having those larger populations that we talked about last time; all of it ties in again to that kind of thing so I imagine those questions will start to be answered around that time.

[EmeraldWind]

Ah I see. I was a bit confused due to the bit about no direct exits to the surface. I took that a bit differently than it was meant to. Haha.

But still thanks for the clarification and thanks Footkerchief for the quotes.