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[Askot Bokbondeler]

cute as a hammerhead shark! _{the cutest of fish after the cuttlefish}

[Kappas]

So tell me palls, does this mean we get tree eating, aka browsing anytime around this release? Elephants, pandas etc.

[MrWiggles]

Will the update to trees also include dangerous plants like giant fly-traps and strangling vines?

Those don't quite fit the things Toady mentioned in the dev-log ("multi-tile trees (including roots and properly-sized mushrooms), fruit, flowers, climbing and jumping"), so it is unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely.

Mostly because that requires a plant rewrite and creature rewrite AND combat rewrite.

Afterall stationary creatures arn't... really dangerous in Dwarf Fortress as they are right now.

I dont know if they would require actual rewrites to any of those systems. Depending on how its done, it may need the game to understand what having  Reach is, and that goes into the fogginess of what a tile dimension again.

So tell me palls, does this mean we get tree eating, aka browsing anytime around this release? Elephants, pandas etc.

No real hint that that ToadyOne is going to be doing this. I dont see having multi tile trees adds pressure for them being added. We could have had browsing animals with the foliage as it was before. And there some animals which couldnt actually browse well at all, because their poorly represented by the game. (Like the giraffe.)

And I do think that this would be actual feature creep, as I dont think it it actually adds anything to the world being more alive.


Since you've talked about grass under the tree cover should be dry, doe s this mean we'll be seeing a change to say under growth and forest debris? Will this impact forest fires?

[CLA]

When you say "it can all be changed in the raws" do you mean the graphical representation only or the growth parameters as well?

[Talvieno]

Will dwarves be capable of chopping down select portions of tree trunks, rather than chopping the entire tree down at once?

Assuming they don't decompose into logs like constructions when left without a support: will trees fall to the side, or use the current physics code and fall straight down? If the latter, will this create a cave-in effect? ("A section of the cavern has collapsed!")

[Alu]

You mentioned working on tree-growing, does that imply they'll be able to grow bigger than just one z-level at some point?

[MrWiggles]

You mentioned working on tree-growing, does that imply they'll be able to grow bigger than just one z-level at some point?

Well, if you take a gander at the pictures that ToadyOne posted. You'll see that the tree grow to several z levels high.

[Untelligent]

That's sixteen beard-decades tall!

[Askot Bokbondeler]

beard-decades! genious!

[thvaz]

I wonder if the procedural tree growth calculations will impact FPS in world gen and ingame.

[Tenebrais]

I wonder if the procedural tree growth calculations will impact FPS in world gen and ingame.

As far as I know most local land features aren't actually calculated until you arrive there, so it probably won't affect worldgen. Embarking might be a little slower, and there might be a little blip at whatever period the trees grow, but once you're on the local level there won't be that many trees to calculate.

[pisskop]

If trees are multitile, will other things start appearing multitiled?  Like say giant sperm whales?  Will space discrepancies start dissappearing (the bronze collossus who uses dwarven stairs w/no issues?)

[Torchy]

When you say it can all be changed in the raws, does that extend to the tiles that are used to represent certain parts of the tree? I'm down with what you've got there mostly, but the "1/4"s are distracting, being readable numbers thrown into the mix like that. I think it's because number tiles have been otherwise reserved for fluid levels.

Apologies if this is a basic modding venture or something; I'm not talking about a tileset; I play vanilla ASCII. I just want to swap out one tree part tile for another so that I can look at the trees without going "one fourth, one fourth, one fourth..." in my head all the time.

Can someone else answer this question before Toady gets to it, maybe?
Felt like it was still appropriate to green, since it's asking about the extent of a statement he made in the devlog.

EDIT: Ouch, those 48x48s really do stick out, don't they? Here's hoping that gets sorted ... it drove me crazy when the Elven Retreats on the worldgen map would lay themselves out in a very inorganic-looking grid like that.

[hermes]

Loving the trees so far, especially the ground level view where the "shade" of the trees is visible.  Also loved that the trees seemed to line the banks of the river in a natural looking fashion.  Some of those bad boys are going to create large blindspots for adventurers, forests could be pretty scary!

[thvaz]

I wonder if the procedural tree growth calculations will impact FPS in world gen and ingame.

As far as I know most local land features aren't actually calculated until you arrive there, so it probably won't affect worldgen. Embarking might be a little slower, and there might be a little blip at whatever period the trees grow, but once you're on the local level there won't be that many trees to calculate.

You are right about world gen, I had forgot about that. But what about a woodland embark? That growth would be continuous, because if you cut the trees they should grow again, using the same algorithms. Even if you didn't cut them, they should still continuously grow.