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[AutomataKittay]

We're getting multi-tile trees! I wonder what the ascii will look like.

Finally! All the sites are getting fixed. Now I'll definitely need to regen when the new version comes out.

What? Toady said anything only about goblin sites.

Oh, and BTW see ya in half of year. Maybe next version will be almost done by then.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=115747.0 Here ya go

[reality.auditor]

What? Toady said anything only about goblin sites.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=115747.0 Here ya go

Oh. I seen only devlog on main page. Okay, then see ya in year. ;p

[thvaz]

What? Toady said anything only about goblin sites.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=115747.0 Here ya go

Oh. I seen only devlog on main page. Okay, then see ya in year. ;p

In the last big release the towns got mostly done in about a month. It was the night creatures and interaction rewrite that took most of the time. So I would guess 8 months (1 month for each race plus an equal ammount of time for bugfixing)

[Taxus]

Due to the all-encompassing nature of this release, we have decided it is time to tackle the goblin/elf/dwarf/kobold sites and do them all.

Sweet!! This is going to be epic! I am definitely willing to settle back for months of amazing dev logs, then the big reveal.

[Torchy]

looks like DF 2013: Activated Edition is on its way.

[Knight Otu]

In the last big release the towns got mostly done in about a month. It was the night creatures and interaction rewrite that took most of the time. So I would guess 8 months (1 month for each race plus an equal ammount of time for bugfixing)

It was really closer to at least two or three months on the whole, though the latter estimate includes things like the travel map. We'll see how fast it goes, I suppose.

[CLA]

So, am I reading this correctly? Multi-tile trees?
Will we see tree felling accidents?
Will there be animals that use the trees? I.e.: will we able to see bear claw marks or broken off twigs on the ground (in regards to the tracking stuff)? will birds have nests in trees? Bees making their hives in trees? Will large ones leave multi tile roots underground? Fallen leaves in autumn that can be collected as fertilizer?

Oh man, my mouth is already watering.

[wilsonns]

I'm pretty sure that logging will be much like mining. The tress will be like the caverns and mountains. You'll only be able to see the exposed faces and the faces adjacent to felled tiles.

[Shinotsa]

Huh, I was always expecting elf trees to simply be magical and thus grow larger and into some sort or dwelling while normal trees would remain the same.

Well let's not get pessimistic about this release. The human cities had a huge amount of work go into them because they needed to have a vast amount of research consolidated into one design. Elves should be alright as they are minimalistic by nature, the big problem there is the multi-tile trees. Maybe a gathering hall, a large tree-palace for royalty, etc. Dwarves I can see being a problem, but a very fun problem now that we have minecarts. Demon and goblin sites I have no idea about, but it seems like a non-negligible amount of progress has been made already. 

How will the dwarf sites be made? Will there be a few different preset shapes and sizes of room that are picked from based on the shape of the available space? Or will there be requirements like "Dining hall must be between X units by Y units and A units by B units for a site of population Z" allowing for more variety (and hilarious consequences)?

[Cruxador]

Huh, I was always expecting elf trees to simply be magical and thus grow larger and into some sort or dwelling while normal trees would remain the same.

Toady has talked about multi-tile trees a lot before, he wants trees of a more realistic size everywhere there's forests. The current single tile trees are more what he'd want saplings to be.

How will the dwarf sites be made? Will there be a few different preset shapes and sizes of room that are picked from based on the shape of the available space? Or will there be requirements like "Dining hall must be between X units by Y units and A units by B units for a site of population Z" allowing for more variety (and hilarious consequences)?

Toady has said he wants to emulate player fortresses. Obviously, a computer's imitation of human behavior will never be near complete, but it's probably reasonable to guess that a dining room's size will be based on the number of dwarves, and will just be placed on a layer where it fits. I imagine if he's emulating players, z-levels will tend to be more or less specialized to a general purpose.

On a note related to timespans, it occurs to me that while doing NPC dwarf fortresses, Toady will likely want to implement multi-z veins and other geological improvements.

[smirk]

I imagine, now that he has the basics for large-scale constructed sites already in the game, modifying it to fit other races shouldn't be too horrendously difficult. Dwarven halls could use a modified version of the code that already generates things like dungeons and catacombs, goblin towers from human keeps and/or necromancer towers (or even just bring back the old awesome goblin towers). No idea about elves though; depends on how he wants to implement trees.

On a note related to timespans, it occurs to me that while doing NPC dwarf fortresses, Toady will likely want to implement multi-z veins and other geological improvements.

Oh, I do hope so.

[Auning]

Since demons have sites, will all demons have their own sites that they inhabit, or will there still be law-makers, lords, and specifically, outcasts? In other words, will there still be a variety of possible ways for a demon to inhabit the world?

[FearfulJesuit]

How will the dwarf sites be made? Will there be a few different preset shapes and sizes of room that are picked from based on the shape of the available space? Or will there be requirements like "Dining hall must be between X units by Y units and A units by B units for a site of population Z" allowing for more variety (and hilarious consequences)?

Toady has said he wants to emulate player fortresses. Obviously, a computer's imitation of human behavior will never be near complete, but it's probably reasonable to guess that a dining room's size will be based on the number of dwarves, and will just be placed on a layer where it fits. I imagine if he's emulating players, z-levels will tend to be more or less specialized to a general purpose.

On a note related to timespans, it occurs to me that while doing NPC dwarf fortresses, Toady will likely want to implement multi-z veins and other geological improvements.

If he's going to emulate player fortresses, I hope that means children trapped in rooms with dogs, the nobility disappearing on an alarming basis (Urist McPlayer: Detective Inspector would make an awesome quest), and aqueducts that flood the countryside with magma at unpredictable intervals for no reason.

[CaptainArchmage]

Since demons have sites, will all demons have their own sites that they inhabit, or will there still be law-makers, lords, and specifically, outcasts? In other words, will there still be a variety of possible ways for a demon to inhabit the world?

Toady said he was going to keep quiet about the HFS sites. My prediction is there are going to be a lot more of them and different forms of them too, perhaps even on the surface.

I think worldgen walls should go into the game with the sites. At the moment, we have roads, but we need better tunnels, and we don't have worldgen walls.

With elf sites and the multi-tile trees, we could get trees growing and undermining constructions and perhaps causing damage underground. Yes, this happens in real life, and doesn't seem unreasonable to add to dwarf fortress.

We might be able to get underwater sites out to sea or in lakes in the next release. Is this going to be on the table in the near future or next release, given that you're dealing with sites now?

[AutomataKittay]

With elf sites and the multi-tile trees, we could get trees growing and undermining constructions and perhaps causing damage underground. Yes, this happens in real life, and doesn't seem unreasonable to add to dwarf fortress.

AFAIK surface tree won't grow in tiles that's been mined out under. Not saying that'll stay the same but there're that.