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[MaximumZero]

Do you have a vague idea of what's going to be next after this round of bugstomping?

[Finn]

Re: modeling s/d economies.  I have a little experience with that from my thesis work and various personal experiments later in life.  It is easiest to do in a multi-player environment, like the almost forgotten Ultima Online, although the economy tended  to be highly volitile.  For games like Everquest, Star Wars Galaxy and later, WoW, their economies were more regulated behind the scenes to create stability.   WoW appeared to be relatively heavily monitored compared to the others..  For a stand-alone simulation like DF you would need to model the consumption of the individual "off map" dwarves, along with their ability to supply themselves.  (You can't have the player be the sole source for stone goblets in the world.). You also need to model the production/ supply of whatever is being used for currency, because in the end it's all barter and Dwarfbucks might as well be gold, sea shells, or dirt.

Sorry, I know I'm rambling.  I was drinking and watching the V8 supercars race from the weekend.

[MrWiggles]

Do you have a vague idea of what's going to be next after this round of bugstomping?

Something from the remaining eight Caravan Arc release goals.

[Abitbol]

Worldgen moved to actual play would be a nice feature

[Askot Bokbondeler]

that wouldn't be "a" feature but a bazillion of them. many things happen in an abstracted way during worldgen and they'd probably need a serious rewrite to work with fortress mode or adventurer time

Mountainhomes and Dark Fortresses
The Economy
Cave-ins and Support

these too would have to be completely rewritten, they wouldn't  be a "fix something that is broken" but a "write a completely new system"

[MrWiggles]

that wouldn't be "a" feature but a bazillion of them. many things happen in an abstracted way during worldgen and they'd probably need a serious rewrite to work with fortress mode or adventurer time

Mountainhomes and Dark Fortresses
The Economy
Cave-ins and Support

these too would have to be completely rewritten, they wouldn't  be a "fix something that is broken" but a "write a completely new system"

They're not broken to begin with. Each of those system are working as intended, or removed as intended.

[raiker123]

So what is next after the minecart bugfix ? Multi-tile trees and elf retreats ? Animal caretaker being fixed ?

From the DF talk or fortress talk or whatever Toady sounded like he's going to be working on bugs for quite a while. as in, not just the bugs tied in to the minecart stuff.

[O11O1]

So what is next after the minecart bugfix ? Multi-tile trees and elf retreats ? Animal caretaker being fixed ?

From the DF talk or fortress talk or whatever Toady sounded like he's going to be working on bugs for quite a while. as in, not just the bugs tied in to the minecart stuff.

Meaning what's actually going to happen is we get bug-fixes from random places until something sparks the creativity of the toad, and he start feature building again.

[Siquo]

that wouldn't be "a" feature but a bazillion of them. many things happen in an abstracted way during worldgen and they'd probably need a serious rewrite to work with fortress mode or adventurer time

Mountainhomes and Dark Fortresses
The Economy
Cave-ins and Support

these too would have to be completely rewritten, they wouldn't  be a "fix something that is broken" but a "write a completely new system"

They're not broken to begin with. Each of those system are working as intended, or removed as intended.

I think he means we used to have semi-working placeholders, will we get those back? And the answer is probably: no, you'll get something way better that actually works, but that'll take a bit of time.

[Abitbol]

The way dark fortresses work is quite abstract to me. Is there some kind of conflict if the population of non-goblins is important ?

[therahedwig]

Do you have a vague idea of what's going to be next after this round of bugstomping?

Actually, he mentioned a lot of stuff in the DF talk.

Basically he sort of wants to continue with the caravan stuff but the  lack of sites for non-human races is feeling like an eyesore to him now. And he mentions that first he'd need to do multi-tile trees...

So I'd guess multi-tile trees. and then worked out sites for non-humans. and then maybe, just maybe three dimensional veins?

EDIT:I guess that means dark fortresses are probably gonna be worked on.

[Courtesy Arloban]

Are the multitile trees going to use the single line rivers, or the double line rivers, and can we change them?  My tileset would look fine with the single line rivers as branches(I already use them for wormy tendrils), but the double lines would look horrible.

Also how would the trees be differentiated from each other?  And what would be done with the current tree tiles?

[Elone]

and then maybe, just maybe three dimensional veins?

I would hope not. I dont like the idea of having to destroy multiple levels (eyesorewise) instead of just one. I also am not thrilled about having to deal with 3D mines, because I am currently being able to view the world only in a single 2D layer at once (and only in x and y).

I do hope that this will be a worldgen option, though. That way everyone gets something they like.

[Chthonic]

I really hope dwarf sites get mine carts zipping around in adventure mode.  Mine carts have become the number one cause of hilarity injury in my fortresses.

[MrWiggles]

and then maybe, just maybe three dimensional veins?

I would hope not. I dont like the idea of having to destroy multiple levels (eyesorewise) instead of just one. I also am not thrilled about having to deal with 3D mines, because I am currently being able to view the world only in a single 2D layer at once (and only in x and y).

I do hope that this will be a worldgen option, though. That way everyone gets something they like.

I dont think it can be.  It'll probably be a change in the raw to direct control their generation. So you'll probably need to swap out raws.