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[Putnam]

DF Z Levels don't really have ceiling and you can't add constructs to the 'top' of a tile. Which means you can't do Loop De Loops.

Mind you, just because something's not in the game doesn't mean it'll never be in the game.

Yeah, but I doubt Toady's going to add ceilings for the express purpose of allowing minecart loop-de-loops

[Cruxador]

DF Z Levels don't really have ceiling and you can't add constructs to the 'top' of a tile. Which means you can't do Loop De Loops.

Mind you, just because something's not in the game doesn't mean it'll never be in the game.

In general that's true, but ceilings sound like something that will probably never go in. It would require overhauling some really fundamental stuff, and there's not much gained at all from it.

[G-Flex]

... Do ceilings really need to be in the game? Why can't the game just check whether or not the above tile has a floor/wall material? That seems like it would be sufficient. I don't see why the floor of one tile can't also act as the ceiling of the tile below.

[Dae]

... Do ceilings really need to be in the game? Why can't the game just check whether or not the above tile has a floor/wall material? That seems like it would be sufficient. I don't see why the floor of one tile can't also act as the ceiling of the tile below.

But in this case how would you differentiate a dead end with a ceiling from a sort of loop wher ethe cart is supposed to go up the wall and roll on the ceiling ?

[G-Flex]

A loop where a cart goes up a wall doesn't require ceilings, it requires some kind of inverse ramp. The differentiation isn't between "floors" and "ceilings" (which are fundamentally identical in DF), but between a 90-degree angle between a wall and ceiling/floor and a more gradual curve.

[Elone]

... Do ceilings really need to be in the game? Why can't the game just check whether or not the above tile has a floor/wall material? That seems like it would be sufficient. I don't see why the floor of one tile can't also act as the ceiling of the tile below.

I've seen a post just like this 2-3 pages ago. I dont feel like checking, but it's virtually verbatim. Did you copy/paste? Despite the redundancy, I agree that this sounds like a logical solution... A surface acting as a floor to the room above, and a ceiling to the room below.

That said, I'd rather have a rail system closer to Transport Tycoon, than Rollercoaster Tycoon. Remember people, this is a band of hardy and highly industrial people! They came to build a military and industrial outpost, not to build a themepark. When the novelty wears off, you'll want the carts to be as efficient as possible.

A loop where a cart goes up a wall doesn't require ceilings, it requires some kind of inverse ramp. The differentiation isn't between "floors" and "ceilings" (which are fundamentally identical in DF), but between a 90-degree angle between a wall and ceiling/floor and a more gradual curve.

It requires inverse ramps? There are gradual curves? Did you play some early build before all others? =O

Well tell me then, you decide to make a loop. How do you stop it from being a closed circle? How do you shift the entrance gently to the left, and the exit gently to the right? Imagine taking a pair of 90 degree turns while hanging upside down at the mercy of the gravity.

More importantly, how do you build constructions (any constructions) on the ceiling without rewriting the entire map format and all the little changes that THAT would break?

[G-Flex]

I wasn't referring to loops there, just the more general and basic concept of a cart moving in a circle, from floor to wall to ceiling. A loop with an entrance and exit is obviously more complicated, but requires the same basic principles in addition to some others.

[Quatch]

Reposting, sorry.

apart from the fact, that this is totally a suggestion and not a question which is not meant to be greened... using green instead of limegreen makes my eyes bleed!

Seconded, thirded, and fourthed. I've wanted to say this every time I saw the darker green text, and I did not because I felt that it's not in my place and that I'd be just a lone voice. I had to select the text to be able to read it.

Use this javascript bookmarklet to turn green->limegreen. I wrote it for the same reason.


javascript:%20%20%20x%20=%20new%20RegExp('(color:%20green;)',%20'gi');%20%20b%20=%20document.body.innerHTML;%20%20b%20=%20b.replace(x,%20'color:%20limegreen;');%20%20void(document.body.innerHTML%20=%20b);

If you're using the new link, you need to click on the link to the top post (eg. Re: Future of the Fortress), otherwise it will move you to the new "new" post.

[simonthedwarf]

Toady is there a hardcode that prevents caravans from bringing sea life to your fortress if they have tags like [PET] or [COMMON_DOMESTIC]?

[NW_Kohaku]

They can only domesticate creatures that live in the biomes they build their cities (or equivalent) on or slightly around. 

Sea creatures are generally out what with being out at sea, and there not being any sort of naval aspects to this game yet.

[simonthedwarf]

They can only domesticate creatures that live in the biomes they build their cities (or equivalent) on or slightly around. 

Sea creatures are generally out what with being out at sea, and there not being any sort of naval aspects to this game yet.

This was pointed out to me. I enabled dwarf civs to be able to embark on oceans. They created mountain homes in the middle of the sea. Oil platforms for the win? Anyways, this had no effect.

[Flaede]

I haven't seen any mention of this, but all the talk of rollercoasters and whatnot has me asking:

what about loop-de-loops?

This has been asked twice, I think so far.

Thanks for the answer. I did look, but this is a crowded thread. I'm not all that dissapointed. Just a little. It was on for the hilarity that would ensue that I even thought to ask. Epic Jumps and "Drop Ship" style military tracks will be fun enough.

[Untelligent]

It's been three days since the last blog update now. That hasn't happened in a while. Must have been a hell of a birthday.

[NW_Kohaku]

I don't see the point in making a big deal out of daily reports - sometimes there just isn't anything to report, even without a party. 

Sometimes you spend all day just finding out about a bug, tracking it down, and killing it, and there isn't much reason except for some arbitrary need to tell your twitter followers every individual thing you've eaten on a real-time basis to post to people about how you've solved a problem that you or they never knew existed until this morning.

Besides, some days you just don't feel all that motivated, whether sick or just exhausted, and would rather stay in bed.

If it's just skip a day or lie to us and report only half of what you do on your good days, so that you can have some extra report padding for your bad days, I'd rather he only write posts when he has something to actually say.

[AlStar]

If it's just skip a day or lie to us and report only half of what you do on your good days, so that you can have some extra report padding for your bad days, I'd rather he only write posts when he has something to actually say.

I agree with this, but still feel sad when I go to the updates page and see that it hasn't changed. If for no other reason then because Toady does such a good job of making minor bugs and status updates so darn humorous.