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[thvaz]

This hauling update is the single biggest change to fortress mode gameplay since the z-levels way back in 2007.

[MrWiggles]

This hauling update is the single biggest change to fortress mode gameplay since the z-levels way back in 2007.

Um, no it isn't.

[thvaz]

This hauling update is the single biggest change to fortress mode gameplay since the z-levels way back in 2007.

Um, no it isn't.

I'm waiting for you to elaborate and enlightening us with your profound knowledge off all things DF-related why it isn't.

[blue sam3]

This hauling update is the single biggest change to fortress mode gameplay since the z-levels way back in 2007.

I'd argue that the underground changes probably had a larger effect, actually, but yeah, it is excellent.

[thvaz]

This hauling update is the single biggest change to fortress mode gameplay since the z-levels way back in 2007.

I'd argue that the underground changes probably had a larger effect, actually, but yeah, it is excellent.

I thought about them, but they didn't change the gameplay that much or influenced the basic design of fortresses.

[Mr S]

My first question, so here goes.

Toady, the front page note says that tracks will keep information, by tile, in all four directions.  Does this imply that tracks are uni-directional?  Is that an option at construction?  Will it be able to be re-designated later?  Is it intended to have "main lines" with parallel, uni-directional rails, connecting with "branch lines" carrying lesser traffic volume bi-directionally?  Will mine carts, and wheel barrows for that matter, be able to pass each other in the same traffic square, at a speed cost, similarly to dorfs passing on a same tile?  Or will the mine cart be impassible, like a wall, or a statue?

[Dutchling]

Mining carts? This is awesome! I was expecting things like carrying multiple seeds in one hand or other small changes but mining carts? I think I just had a dwarfgasm.

[Dr. D]

Will the minecarts be able to hold liquids? That could be an easy way to transport magma up however many z-levels to get it in a sane place.

[zwei]

This hauling update is the single biggest change to fortress mode gameplay since the z-levels way back in 2007.

I'd argue that the underground changes probably had a larger effect, actually, but yeah, it is excellent.

I thought about them, but they didn't change the gameplay that much or influenced the basic design of fortresses.

Magma on every embark definitelly changed how fortresses are structured (with magmaworks at very bottom or with extensive pump stack in most of them).

[Mr S]

I'm also curious to see if the minecarts will have a dump option, like a tip out or chutes in the bottom like rail cars.  Sounds more like a suggestion than a question, so I won't lime green it.  However, the weaponization of this is immediately apparent.  Build your obsidian mine cart.  Fill with kool-aid, drive it to the top of your parapets, and dump out over the edge onto the elven caravan vile force of darkness on your doorsetp.

[Mephansteras]

This is going to be an awesome update! Really looking forward to playing around with mine carts!

[Mel_Vixen]

^^ we need the option to build stuff in adventure mode! I want my very own intermountainhall railway!

If we can layout tracks (woden or metal) over constructed floors/ramps the code could be later reused for pipes. Anyway i hope we can park a cart under a hole and dump(D-B-D) stuff into it, which would make delivering 1k crafts to the depot very easy. If these things get animal-power we would need a way to feed the animal (unless its not a grazer).

[NW_Kohaku]

Going back a couple pages...

Along with minecarts, can we expect the dwarves to use wheelbarrows, handcarts, horse/OX/(other load bearing domestic animal)carts, as well as backpacks. do you plan on giving paved roads a speed increase to these transports(inc wagons).

Toady said before that he didn't want to make paved roads have a "Speed bonus", but instead wanted to work with adding "underbrush" that would slow normal movement down on uncleared paths, presumably having a greater impact upon carts than other creatures. 

Conveniently, Footkerchief already pulled together some relevant quotes around 20 pages back:

Spoiler: Longish quote of Footkerchief quoting Toady with bonus recursive quoting (click to show/hide)

This is on the dev page:

Basic Adventure Mode Skills

    * Wood use
          o Ground debris/sticks/underbrush

Toady expanded on that item in DF Talk:

Capntastic:   I've got to say I'm really excited about the ... things you would think to be excited about, like the ground debris, sticks and underbrush ... you're like 'oh man, you find a rats nest under a tree and then kick it and rats come out'.
Toady:   The main thing there is up here in a lot of the parts of the Pacific north west where there's been logging recently and the trees ... there's not a whole lot of old growth forest left where I'm at, so there's a bunch of small trees, and when there are small trees there's a crapload of underbrush, and it's hard to go places; a lot of places you have to go around giant bushes and all kind of blackberries and that kind of stuff, you just walk through ... I don't want that to be super annoying, but right now in adventure mode there's a few scattered trees in the forest and they're little teeny trees but they somehow prevented everything but a few strawberry bushes from growing. And there are certain points where you should be walking through this brush and getting scratches all over your body, and mosquitoes ...

It was also touched upon in a FotF thread:

Now that trade routes depend on availability of roads (do they?), will fast-traveling over roads in Adventurer Mode confer reasonable bonuses to traveling speed (or penalties for moving off the road)? For both adventurers and merchants, it would make sense for walking on road to be easier, faster, and safer than hacking through wilderness.

Related: Will dwarven roads over mountains squares be accessible through fast-traveling in Adventurer Mode?

Fast travel speeds aren't going to be different from local travel speeds, for consistency, as close as I can make them anyway.  So if traveling on roads should be faster, it has to be for a local reason.  Right now, traveling on any terrain is the same speed.  When we get to underbrush in the dev page, the movement speeds should be properly impacted.  I'm not sure that we'll get to any of that this time, though the grass density information helps set us up for it.

The visibility part was covered here:

Are you planning on making certain 'wilderness' areas a bit more defined? Currently there is hardly any difference between a hill and a forest. Having, for example, denser bushes that, maybe, obscure vision, or multi-tile trees would make the denser forests much more foresty.

Yeah, we've got three things up there that should help a bit with that:

Skills:Wood Use:Ground debris/sticks/underbrush

For some basic variety -- there's nothing like the woods around here where you can hardly walk and end up getting all scratched up.  Now it's more like the older growth forests with the cleaner floors, but with really small trees and inexplicably no underbrush.  Not sure about vision there -- thick underbrush should definitely obscure it, but we might wait for the lighting part to get that all under one umbrella.
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[Urist McDepravity]

I thought about them, but they didn't change the gameplay that much or influenced the basic design of fortresses.

Same here. None of recent changes did affect my gameplay significantly. This tracks-connecting-stockpiles-to-workshops thing will probably have much more influence for me, as it will actually force me to re-think the approach I used since times of 40d.

[Deviled]

I'm wondering, will we be able to have dwarves ride minecarts? I'm just wondering if we will be able to make dwarven roller coasters.