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[eux0r]

oh yeah, there are exactly the 2x2x3 i remember, good work finding that one otu

[MrWiggles]

Yea, but thats not the only volume of a tile though thats seems to be the volume of a tile when its dealing with mine carts. If I recall, it doesnt seem to match up with the volume of a block of steel.

[Neonivek]

As well I have measured distance in Dwarf Fortress before using time.

Tiles are small and large at the same time... and before you go 999 dragons... I should state that I am not refering to that.

In terms of scale of infrastructure and objects each tile is small... In terms of how long it takes to clear a tile each tile is large.

I think I calculated the largest world to be a bit smaller then Europe by travel speed.

So basically you could convert that to gain the "Travel size" of each square.

[eux0r]

i guess the problem is that not all aspects of the game were programmed with a unified tile size in mind, so things dont add up when one calculates from different points of origin. there are many aspects of the game, an i am sure one can calculate tiles to be 10cm wide as well as 10m depending on where one starts, so only aspects of the game where toady really thought about tile sizes when programming should be considered, while toady should be reminded not to forget to fix the other aspects of the game at some point, so things add up in the end.(e.g. trees not being only twice as high as they are wide or to fix in the future: travel-times)

[Neonivek]

Well simply speaking I just split each square into different measurements.

It is just a world where Travel Time Size and City size are different.

[BradUffner]

We see the world of DF through a screen where the display resolution isn't large enough to exactly map out the bounds of objects.  Let's pretend for a moment that each tile is 3 meters wide.  Just because a tree trunk is shown taking up 3 tiles doesn't mean that it's 9 meters wide.  If it's centered in the middle tile it may be just over 3 meters wide and only protruding through the tiles on the left and right by a small amount.  It's the same way that we know that a sock doesn't take up the full 3 meters of the tile it occupies on screen.

[therahedwig]

...But then there's still the fact that some of the trees in Toady's sample forest take up two tiles.

I mean, plenty of them are one tile.
...And I suposse we could say these are primal forest, so the trees had a damn long time to grow.

But still, very big trees. I wonder how big the elven trees will be.

[eux0r]

of course one has to assume tiles arent always maximally filled, but still the proportions are wrong, even when a tile is 2m wide, a 3tiles x 3tiles tree has a diameter of at about 4m, which, at an height of 15m is still too much for most types of trees

[BradUffner]

of course one has to assume tiles arent always maximally filled, but still the proportions are wrong, even when a tile is 2m wide, a 3tiles x 3tiles tree has a diameter of at about 4m, which, at an height of 15m is still too much for most types of trees

Dwarf trees, everything is shorter and fatter! 

[Techhead]

According to wikipedia, the largest single-stem tree recorded has a diameter of 9.38 meters. Only 5 species have been recorded to have trunks over 6 meters across. Of course, multi stem trees can get even larger.

[Dante]

Dwarf trees, everything is shorter and fatter! 

But not alcohol-dependent. At least, until the modders get to work.

[Putnam]

Alcohol dependent is a creature token, so no.

[nighzmarquls]

Alcohol dependent is a creature token, so no.

That gives me a great idea, make it so that plants can be given a tag for 'contaminant' or 'material' requirements to grow.

This would let us expand on farming practices and other such things quite nicely

also would let modders make alcohol dependent trees.

[smirk]

I assumed the trees were that fat because he wanted to test out horizontal as well as vertical growth. He's putting in quite a few growth parameters, so we'll probably be getting more normal trees. Or if not, we can mod 'em.

How much control over plant growth will we have in the raws? Will it be fairly basic, as now, or will we have things like MAX_HEIGHT, CANOPY_SHAPE and LIMB_DENSITY?

[Cruxador]

Moving on to defining various things that grow from the plants -- flowers, fruit, and leaves, mainly, but the raws should be fairly generic here. There are just "growths" from the plants, with various timing, development and item type variables, and if you're modding you should be able to call them whatever you like or have a tree that grows bronze swords or whatever. We should have apples or some kind of edible fruit soon... we have choices for fruit trees to add now I suppose.

This sure sounds fun. It allows for a tree growing golden apples, for one thing. And trees bearing syndrome fruits. And if secrets can be tied to that then you can create, if not yet the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, then at least the Tree of the Knowledge of Life and Death.

And that's without even considering what sorts of trees we might find underground.