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[Arkenstone]

But building with logs is really expensive in terms of resources.  Especially if you factor in the time it took those trees to grow...

Really, blocks have no purpose outside of construction, so all the change'll do is make it easier for those who want to build with wood, for whatever reason.

EDIT: DOUBLE Ninja'd

[Arkenstone]

Wood is a more precious resource than stone, currently, thanks to how easy it is to mine, and how trees are more limited, however, that is an entirely unrelated argument to why it would be logical to quadruple wood yields just because stone was changed.

By that measure, anyway, it would make at least as much sense to just get more than one log per tree.

I'm making the argument that since now that quadruple returns on blockmaking for stone has set a precedent, this unrelated thing that I think would be nice in the game is hanging so low it's practically on the ground already.

And wooden blocks can't be used for anything but construction, so it wouldn't be unbalancing to change the amount you get (as it would be to change the number of logs per tree).

[Cobbler89]

Wooden blocks can be used in the construction of one or two workshops if I recall correct -- which may fall under the definition of "construction" or may not, depending on how picky one is about the game's menu's terminology.

On an unrelated note... liquid and solid dumping stops! Sounds as though we're getting "everything we ever," to paraphrase Dr. Horrible.

[FearfulJesuit]

Wood is a more precious resource than stone, currently, thanks to how easy it is to mine, and how trees are more limited, however, that is an entirely unrelated argument to why it would be logical to quadruple wood yields just because stone was changed.

By that measure, anyway, it would make at least as much sense to just get more than one log per tree.

I'm making the argument that since now that quadruple returns on blockmaking for stone has set a precedent, this unrelated thing that I think would be nice in the game is hanging so low it's practically on the ground already.

And wooden blocks can't be used for anything but construction, so it wouldn't be unbalancing to change the amount you get (as it would be to change the number of logs per tree).

Not true- there's several buildings that use them, though the only ones I can think of right now are screw pumps and wells.

[Arkenstone]

Buildings = form of construction

(All right, I know we really go b->C, but all of those buildings can be made out of other things which are far less scarce, just like walls and bridges.  So there's no practical difference.)

[Belteshazzar]

Technically trees are supposed to become some sort of larger, branching, multi-tile entities, which would certainly help the wood disparity, and probably make logging a lot more dangerous (imagine causing a collapse cascade within a thick, multistory jungle, or worse, a fire.)

[smirk]

Technically trees are supposed to become some sort of larger, branching, multi-tile entities, which would certainly help the wood disparity, and probably make logging a lot more dangerous (imagine causing a collapse cascade within a thick, multistory jungle, or worse, a fire.)

That's the eventual plan, I believe. And I want it so, so much. One day I will run minecarts up a heartwood track and dump magma down on the elves from the center of their own sacred tree. Until then, nothing wrong with some light modding to cut 1 log into 4 planks/blocks.

[Elone]

Except that I lied to you. There is no "percent chance" in a reaction. That's more accurately summed up as "percent of object created". What that reaction above does is create one-fourth of an item, so that every fourth reaction will output that item.

I would expect mining to do the same thing. Every tile mined gets you one-fourth of a boulder, which manifests itself as soon as the total reaches 100%.

Maybe I'm wrong, and it is actually a drop chance. But as BradUffner's post shows, that's not a terrible solution, either. I guess we'll just have to wait until the next release to see.

I sincerely hope that you are wrong. Otherwise we would micromanage all dwarves to land every 4th hit on an ore tile, which I see in no way entertaining.

[Himmelblau]

Except that I lied to you. There is no "percent chance" in a reaction. That's more accurately summed up as "percent of object created". What that reaction above does is create one-fourth of an item, so that every fourth reaction will output that item.

I would expect mining to do the same thing. Every tile mined gets you one-fourth of a boulder, which manifests itself as soon as the total reaches 100%.

Maybe I'm wrong, and it is actually a drop chance. But as BradUffner's post shows, that's not a terrible solution, either. I guess we'll just have to wait until the next release to see.

I sincerely hope that you are wrong. Otherwise we would micromanage all dwarves to land every 4th hit on an ore tile, which I see in no way entertaining.

I'm fairly sure that if there are going to be fourths of boulders, then it'll work like melting metal objects: different types of stones are tracked separately. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense of any kind.

Somehow that actually sounds nicer than the 25%-chance drop, but I'll manage either way.

[Knight Otu]

There is no "percent chance" in a reaction. That's more accurately summed up as "percent of object created". What that reaction above does is create one-fourth of an item, so that every fourth reaction will output that item.

That has in my experience never been the case. It has always been random whether a reaction product is generated. I've had 33% reactions that created the object after two uses of the reaction, for instance.

[Arkenstone]

In the current system, boulders are dropped by percentile chance for every tile that's mined.

I see absolutely no reason why Toady would have gone to the trouble of adding an entirely new variable to store the required data, finding an place to put it in the code, etc.

[hermes]

Can anyone help me with this line from the devlog?

I piled up all the clay I had been collecting (clay stockpiling is now fixed) and laid an iron track down the mound.

Does this mean clay stockpiles into a mound several z-levels high, or that mound was constructed with designations?

[Knight Otu]

The way it reads to me is that ThreeToe built a mound from the clay, then constructed the tracks over it, and as a tangent, he noted that clay stockpiling has been fixed.

[SHOCKTrooperM37]

When i asked my question i thought the purpose of the quadruple blocks per stone was to make above ground construction easier so you didn't need to dig as many rooms (which adds to stone clutter).   Doing the same to wood makes it even easier i guess and makes wood constructions more viable.

[hermes]

The way it reads to me is that ThreeToe built a mound from the clay, then constructed the tracks over it, and as a tangent, he noted that clay stockpiling has been fixed.

Yes, yes.  Most logical!  I tend to get rather excited about devlog entries and misread whatho.  Is anyone else struck by the frivolous violence of Threetoes railway?  Was an iron wall absolutely necessary?