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[Halfling]

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I don't think corpses can have syndromes on them.  If they could, though, then what you want could be achieved through a regional interaction (in every region) that raises a creature that was previously marked for resurrection by one of these delayed-reaction necromancers.

In the wiki it said corpses could be targeted by IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS. It seemed very redundant if corpses can't have syndromes.

So, to test, I wrote this:

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interaction_knight

[OBJECT:INTERACTION]

[INTERACTION:LAZY_ARENA_USER]
   [I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
   [I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
   [IE_TARGET:A]
   [IE_IMMEDIATE]
   [IE_ARENA_NAME:This one]
   [SYNDROME]
   [SYN_NAME:Is a necromantic swiss army knife!]
   [CE_CAN_DO_INTERACTION:START:0]
   [CDI:INTERACTION:RESURRECTION_1]
   [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:A:1]
   [CDI:ADV_NAME:Kiss of life]
   [CE_CAN_DO_INTERACTION:START:0]
   [CDI:INTERACTION:ANIMATION_1]
   [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:A:1]
   [CDI:ADV_NAME:Kiss of false life]
   [CE_CAN_DO_INTERACTION:START:0]
   [CDI:INTERACTION:ANTI-RESURRECTION_1]
   [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:A:1]
   [CDI:ADV_NAME:Kiss of unlife]
   [CE_CAN_DO_INTERACTION:START:0]
   [CDI:INTERACTION:ANTI-RESURRECTION_2]
   [CDI:MAX_TARGET_NUMBER:A:1]
   [CDI:ADV_NAME:Kiss of unlife (corpse)]

[INTERACTION:RESURRECTION_1]
   [I_SOURCE:CREATURE_ACTION]
   [I_TARGET:A:CORPSE]
      [IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_ITEM]
      [IT_MANUAL_INPUT:target]
      [IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:ANTI-RESURRECTION]
   [I_EFFECT:RESURRECT]
      [IE_TARGET:A]
      [IE_IMMEDIATE]

[INTERACTION:ANIMATION_1]
   [I_SOURCE:CREATURE_ACTION]
   [I_TARGET:A:CORPSE]
      [IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_ITEM]
      [IT_MANUAL_INPUT:target]
   [I_EFFECT:ANIMATE]
      [IE_TARGET:A]
      [IE_IMMEDIATE]

[INTERACTION:ANTI-RESURRECTION_1]
   [I_SOURCE:CREATURE_ACTION]
   [I_TARGET:A:CREATURE]
      [IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_CREATURE]
      [IT_MANUAL_INPUT:target]
   [I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
      [IE_TARGET:A]
      [IE_IMMEDIATE]
   [SYNDROME]
      [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
      [SYN_CLASS:ANTI-RESURRECTION]
      [SYN_NAME:anti-resurrected]
        [CE_BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:99:START:0]

[INTERACTION:ANTI-RESURRECTION_2]
   [I_SOURCE:CREATURE_ACTION]
   [I_TARGET:A:CORPSE]
      [IT_LOCATION:CONTEXT_ITEM]
      [IT_MANUAL_INPUT:target]
   [I_EFFECT:ADD_SYNDROME]
      [IE_TARGET:A]
      [IE_IMMEDIATE]
   [SYNDROME]
      [SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
      [SYN_CLASS:ANTI-RESURRECTION]
      [SYN_NAME:anti-resurrected]
        [CE_BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:99:START:0]

At first I thought the corpse loses track of the syndrome, but looking more closely, actually it seems like the corpse does have the syndrome. The creature, upon being resurrected, is still anti-resurrected... but this doesn't seem to affect any attempts to resurrect it. It still can be even though it remembers being anti-resurrected.

[Meph]

So you are saying that the corpse correctly gets the SYN_CLASS:ANTI-RESURRECTION, but the interaction   ignores [IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS:ANTI-RESURRECTION] and resurrects it anyway?

I will have to try regional interactions then that are always active in all regions. Not sure if that is possible. It would also be more random that way, which is something I dont like. If it works once every 2 months, and a dwarf dies just after it triggered, you will have almost 2 months... but if the dwarf dies just before it triggers, then you have no time to actually embalm him first.

Best case I want is that every dwarf that dies gets a count-down till it resurrects/transforms into a worm-creature, which can be stopped with IT_CANNOT_HAVE_SYNDROME_CLASS and a SYNDROME_CLASS added by the undertaker/embalmer.

Would using CE_ADD_TAG:CANNOT_UNDEAD:NOT_LIVING to the corpse remove the "fit for resurrection/fit for animation" from it? That way the resurrection/animation interaction would ignore the embalmed corpse.

Display names is the next interesting bit... I have to test if "mutilated corpse of urist" can become "mutilated corpse of urist (embalmed)", for easier handling.

[Halfling]

I'm not sure if the corpse has the syndrome, but in testing, first giving a human a syndrome, then lopping his head off with an adamantine axe, then resurrecting him made the resurrected creature still have the syndrome, so it does not vanish. It's pretty hard to tell if the corpse has it if it doesn't affect targeting, at least if you're not somebody who knows how to memory hack. I think.

But - how about just a reaction that takes a corpse and a coffin and makes an embalmed corpse sarcophagus that's inorganic?

[evictedSaint]

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Hey guys!

So I've been trying to modify the mask, helm, and cap items so that they will fit with one another.  I've studied the wiki and fiddled with the permit and size values, but I can't seem to get it to work right and I'm getting tired of regenning worlds.

What I'm trying to do is make it so that the following combinations are possible:
HELM + MASK
HELM + CAP
CAP + MASK

Even when I can finally get the combinations to work right, civilians end up picking up masks and helms and wearing them like clothing, which was not my intention.  I want HELM and MASK to be items used for combat only.  Could someone who's more familiar with clothing sizes and stuff give me a hand? I have the unmodded RAWS below.

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[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_HELM]
[NAME:helm:helms]
[ARMORLEVEL:1]
[METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS]
[SHAPED]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:30]
[LAYER_PERMIT:20]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[HARD]
[METAL]
[BARRED]
[SCALED]
[LEATHER]
[SHAPED]

[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_CAP]
[NAME:cap:caps]
[METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS]
[LAYER:OVER]
[COVERAGE:50]
[LAYER_SIZE:10]
[LAYER_PERMIT:15]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[SOFT]
[LEATHER]
[HARD]
[METAL]
[STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_WOVEN_THREAD]
[SHAPED]

[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_MASK]
[NAME:mask:masks]
[LAYER:UNDER]
[COVERAGE:50]
[LAYER_SIZE:20]
[LAYER_PERMIT:10]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[SOFT]
[LEATHER]
[HARD]
[METAL]
[BARRED]
[SCALED]
[STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_WOVEN_THREAD]
[SHAPED]

HELMs should only have [SHAPED] on them

all HELMs CAPs and MASKs should have a [LAYER_PERMIT:2] and a [LAYER_SIZE:1]

since they all have a permit of 2, but a size of 1 you can basically wear only two things but 2 helms (due to SHAPED). But these combos are possible

HELM + CAP
HELM + MASK
CAP + MASK
CAP + CAP
MASK + MASK

not including hoods turbans and other misc helm items.

Hey, just popping back in to say that I got the armor values all worked out.  Thanks to Hugo_The_Dwarf for his help!

The following adjustments allow the following combinations:
HELM + MASK
HELM + CAP
MASK + CAP

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[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_HELM]
[NAME:helm:helms]
[ARMORLEVEL:3]
[METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS]
[SHAPED]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:15]
[LAYER_PERMIT:21]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[HARD]
[METAL]
[BARRED]
[SCALED]
[LEATHER]
[SHAPED]

[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_MASK]
[NAME:mask:masks]
[ARMORLEVEL:2]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:50]
[LAYER_SIZE:30]
[LAYER_PERMIT:20]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[METAL]
[HARD]

[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_CAP]
[NAME:cap:caps]
[METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS]
[LAYER:UNDER]
[COVERAGE:50]
[LAYER_SIZE:15]
[LAYER_PERMIT:21]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[SOFT]
[LEATHER]
[HARD]
[METAL]
[STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_WOVEN_THREAD]


Alternatively, you can allow an additional cap with each combination by changing the size and permit values to:

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[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_HELM]
[NAME:helm:helms]
[ARMORLEVEL:3]
[METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS]
[SHAPED]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:15]
[LAYER_PERMIT:35]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[HARD]
[METAL]
[BARRED]
[SCALED]
[LEATHER]
[SHAPED]

[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_MASK]
[NAME:mask:masks]
[ARMORLEVEL:2]
[LAYER:ARMOR]
[COVERAGE:50]
[LAYER_SIZE:35]
[LAYER_PERMIT:30]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[METAL]
[HARD]

[ITEM_HELM:ITEM_HELM_CAP]
[NAME:cap:caps]
[METAL_ARMOR_LEVELS]
[LAYER:UNDER]
[COVERAGE:50]
[LAYER_SIZE:15]
[LAYER_PERMIT:35]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:1]
[SOFT]
[LEATHER]
[HARD]
[METAL]
[STRUCTURAL_ELASTICITY_WOVEN_THREAD]


[Brilliand]

I'm not sure if the corpse has the syndrome, but in testing, first giving a human a syndrome, then lopping his head off with an adamantine axe, then resurrecting him made the resurrected creature still have the syndrome, so it does not vanish. It's pretty hard to tell if the corpse has it if it doesn't affect targeting, at least if you're not somebody who knows how to memory hack. I think.

I see your ANTI-RESURRECTION_2 interaction attempts to add a syndrome to an already-dead corpse.  Didn't you test that one?  Giving a syndrome to a creature while it's dead is much more applicable to what Meph wants to do than simply having syndromes persist through death.

But - how about just a reaction that takes a corpse and a coffin and makes an embalmed corpse sarcophagus that's inorganic?

I don't think that would prevent ghosts...

[Vagabond.]

Alright, fairly minor question:
How does one take control of other creatures via a DFhack script/plugin? I honestly have no idea.

[Halfling]

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I see your ANTI-RESURRECTION_2 interaction attempts to add a syndrome to an already-dead corpse.  Didn't you test that one?  Giving a syndrome to a creature while it's dead is much more applicable to what Meph wants to do than simply having syndromes persist through death.

But - how about just a reaction that takes a corpse and a coffin and makes an embalmed corpse sarcophagus that's inorganic?

I don't think that would prevent ghosts...

Good point. On point 1, I did test it but neglected to mention the results. Give human syndrome, strike him down, resurrect him -> human with syndrome. Strike human down, target human corpse with syndrome interaction, resurrect him -> human with no syndrome. Corpses simply not being properly targetable by syndrome tokens (both in the sense of reading from and adding to syndromes) would explain this, but so does corpses actually not having syndromes and them being stored elsewhere.

Considering that it does not happen in vanilla, is it actually known what happens to a dwarf corpse that is used in a reaction? If you butcher it, can the meat be buried? If you transform it into a traction bench made of GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT, will they bury it? That tag seems to cause the world to do very strange things at least if you use it when transforming vermin.

[mattychan]

Alright, fairly minor question:
How does one take control of other creatures via a DFhack script/plugin? I honestly have no idea.

adv-bodyswap
i never tested it so idk how it works
type ls in the dfhack shell and all commands will be displayed
near the top t says plugins adv-bodyswap is one of them

[Meph]

So I can affect a dwarf before he dies, but the corpse itself cant be affect with syndromes or do interactions. That, yet again, leaves me with regional interactions that have to be active on every map, for good, evil and neutral biomes.

I can do a priest that sanctifies living dwarves to prevent them from becoming an undead, but I cant use the corpses for anything like that... mh. I could make the undertaker a caste, have a dwarf be transformed into the undertaker (only one per fort) in the custom workshop, and he can target the already risen corpses, but that just gets tiresome in a big fort. And have constant rise/transform/put-down messages...

Getting rid of the corpse all together and making a custom coffin-tool would work, but really badly, because of ghosts and the fact that custom furniture cant be done.

Ok, so it boils down to this: How can I remove FIT_FOR_ANIMATION and/or FIT_FOR_RESURRECTION from a corpse?

[Vagabond.]

Alright, fairly minor question:
How does one take control of other creatures via a DFhack script/plugin? I honestly have no idea.

adv-bodyswap
i never tested it so idk how it works
type ls in the dfhack shell and all commands will be displayed
near the top t says plugins adv-bodyswap is one of them

I probably should have clarified, I meant in Fortress Mode.  I remember seeing a script of it somewhere that basically allows you to take other civilizations creatures, but I can't find it.

[Brilliand]

Ok, so it boils down to this: How can I remove FIT_FOR_ANIMATION and/or FIT_FOR_RESURRECTION from a corpse?

Animate it and transform it into a creature that dies instantly and can't be animated/resurrected?

[Meph]

Then I cant bury them anymore, leading to bad thoughts and ghosts.

Maybe I should better ask Putnam about a dfhack script. ^^

[Halfling]

Obviously you can't give a corpse improvements, but I wondered if that would alter a corpse so you can't do things with it. Did not, it can have hanging rings of bismuth bronze (well not really, because it does not accept improvements) but it still works. And turning it into a bed with GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT, my favorite reaction, results in a "dwarf muscle bed" so I doubt that helps. Turning it into a remains results in a "white stork man " with the trailing space included, which then transforms into a toad if transformed into a living vermin. Trying to turn it into itself crashes the game.

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reaction_embalm

[OBJECT:REACTION]

[REACTION:ADORN_CORPSE]
   [NAME:adorn a corpse with hanging rings of bismuth bronze]
   [REAGENT:A:1:CORPSE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [IMPROVEMENT:100:A:RINGS_HANGING:INORGANIC:BISMUTH_BRONZE]
   [SKILL:GLAZING]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]

[REACTION:REMAINS_CORPSE]
   [NAME:transform a corpse into a remains of the corpse creature]
   [REAGENT:A:1:CORPSE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:REMAINS:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
   [SKILL:GLAZING]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]

[REACTION:REMAINS_CORPSE_BACKWARDS]
   [NAME:transform a remains of the corpse creature into a living creature]
   [REAGENT:A:1:REMAINS:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:REMAINS:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
   [SKILL:GLAZING]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]

[REACTION:REMAINS_CORPSE_BED]
   [NAME:transform a corpse into a bed made of the corpse creature]
   [REAGENT:A:1:CORPSE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:BED:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
   [SKILL:GLAZING]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]

[REACTION:REMAINS_CORPSE_CHUNK]
   [NAME:transform a corpse into a chunk of the corpse creature]
   [REAGENT:A:1:CORPSE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:CORPSEPIECE:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
   [SKILL:GLAZING]
   [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]

So yeah, hacking it is or if there's some simple mistake that could fix corpse syndrome targeting so you could fix the exe like with some other things... or there is the alternative that corpse + coffin -> slab called "sarcophagus" that then is engraved with the name of who was embalmed. Which requires some micro unless you don't really care whose sarcophagus was carved with whose name.

[GuardianTempest]

Woah, it's been forever and I think I forgot my beginner modding knowledge.

Anyway, is it possible to apply flight-capabilities to clothes? I'm planning on making wingpacks.

[MagmaMcFry]

Woah, it's been forever and I think I forgot my beginner modding knowledge.

Anyway, is it possible to apply flight-capabilities to clothes? I'm planning on making wingpacks.

Not unless you are Putnam.