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[Trapezohedron]

Is it possible to make resurrective dust coating?

Coat the limbs in dust and it stands up as undead?

[Valikdu]

Is there a way to make a reaction that will accept a variable amount of barrels with reagents?

For example, if it needs 15 sweet pod syrup as a reagent, it would accept one barrel with 5 syrup and another with 10, or three with 5 each, or one with 15...

[Putnam]

New Guy: no.

Valikdu: no.

[Telgin]

Do multiple syndromes on one material (used for an evil cloud) work?  I created this material:

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[INORGANIC:DISCORDANT_MAGIC]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:discordant magic]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:discordant magic]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:discordant magic]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:0:7:1]
[BUILD_COLOR:0:7:1]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:10]
[SPEC_HEAT:450]
[MELTING_POINT:10]
[BOILING_POINT:20]
[SOLID_DENSITY:7850]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:6980]
[MOLAR_MASS:55845]
[IMPACT_YIELD:542500] Was 1080000, but just using 3.5x tensile multiples for everything until better numbers are available, which might not be likely
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:1085000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:319]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:542500]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:1085000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:319] bulk modulus 170 GPa
[TENSILE_YIELD:155000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:310000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:73] young's modulus 211 GPa
[TORSION_YIELD:155000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:310000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:189]
[SHEAR_YIELD:155000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:310000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:189] shear modulus 82 GPa
[BENDING_YIELD:155000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:310000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:73]
[MAX_EDGE:10000]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:discordant corruption]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_ADD_TAG:CRAZED:START:0:END:500]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:discordant corruption]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:PONY_LITTLE:FEMALE]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0:END:500]
[CE:CREATURE:PONY_DISCORDANT:FEMALE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:discordant corruption]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:PONY_LITTLE:MALE]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0:END:500]
[CE:CREATURE:PONY_DISCORDANT:MALE]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:discordant corruption]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:PONY_LITTLE:FEMALE_PEGASUS]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0:END:500]
[CE:CREATURE:PONY_DISCORDANT:FEMALE_PEGASUS]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:discordant corruption]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:PONY_LITTLE:MALE_PEGASUS]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0:END:500]
[CE:CREATURE:PONY_DISCORDANT:MALE_PEGASUS]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:discordant corruption]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:PONY_LITTLE:FEMALE_UNICORN]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0:END:500]
[CE:CREATURE:PONY_DISCORDANT:FEMALE_UNICORN]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:discordant corruption]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CREATURE:PONY_LITTLE:MALE_UNICORN]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_BODY_TRANSFORMATION:START:0:END:500]
[CE:CREATURE:PONY_DISCORDANT:MALE_UNICORN]

And now things that wander through the cloud don't have anything happen to them.  I get no errors in the error log.  At first I just had the original syndrome that made things [CRAZED], and that worked.  After adding the others, nothing has anything happen to it.  So far as I can tell the transformation syndromes are correct, but it's possible something is wrong with them.

Do I have a problem with those?  Can I not do this at all?

[i2amroy]

Your creatures aren't already affected by any kind of transformation right?

Other then that I can't find any problems with your syndromes (though only lasting for a little over 5 steps worth of movement [not ticks!] seems a little short).

[Trapezohedron]

Perhaps it has something to do with all of the transformation syndromes affecting GENERAL_POISON.

Try removing SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON on the transformations. Keep the GENERAL_POISON on crazed.

If not, move crazed to every part of the transformation syndrome and remove GENERAL_POISON?

It's supposed to work; Deon even has a variation of that in the form of werebeast curse, one side affecting males and the other for the females respectively.

[Telgin]

Your creatures aren't already affected by any kind of transformation right?

Other then that I can't find any problems with your syndromes (though only lasting for a little over 5 steps worth of movement [not ticks!] seems a little short).

No, they haven't been transformed by anything.  And the duration is quite short, which is mostly intended, but probably shouldn't be that short.  I can't remember if I adjusted that down for some reason, but they stayed crazed long enough to cause some damage back when that was all that happened.  Hmm...

Perhaps it has something to do with all of the transformation syndromes affecting GENERAL_POISON.

Try removing SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON on the transformations. Keep the GENERAL_POISON on crazed.

If not, move crazed to every part of the transformation syndrome and remove GENERAL_POISON?

It's supposed to work; Deon even has a variation of that in the form of werebeast curse, one side affecting males and the other for the females respectively.

I'll try all of these tonight when I get a chance.  The affected class for the syndrome was something I was wondering about too.

Actually, come to think of it, to my knowledge the only things that have wandered through the evil clouds so far have been armored soldiers.  I assumed that it being a contact syndrome like that would affect them anyway, but is it possible their armor stopped it?  I think I may have had one civilian walk through it with no ill effect, but she did have clothes.

[Trapezohedron]

I think armor may negate contact effects, similar to how shoes minimize FB poison effects.

[zzedar]

How do the thicknesses specified in [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN] interact with the relative thicknesses in [TISSUE_TEMPLATE]? Are they multiplicative, or does the first override the second entirely, or what? For instance, if I have a body part whose BODY_DETAIL_PLAN has muscle:20 and fat:15, and I use the default muscle and fat templates (which specify RELATIVE_THICKNESS:3 and 1, respectively), does that mean that the ratio will be 20:15 (=4:3), or 60:15 (=4:1)?

[i2amroy]

Actually, come to think of it, to my knowledge the only things that have wandered through the evil clouds so far have been armored soldiers.  I assumed that it being a contact syndrome like that would affect them anyway, but is it possible their armor stopped it?  I think I may have had one civilian walk through it with no ill effect, but she did have clothes.

I think armor may negate contact effects, similar to how shoes minimize FB poison effects.

IIRC armor/clothes can block contaminants from reaching their target (and thus stop contact poisons) based on their COVERAGE values (Which defaults to 100%).

[Telgin]

Odd thing about that though... does armor or clothing stop vanilla evil clouds?  I've never actually played in such a biome before this one with my modded clouds, but I've never heard of anyone having a dwarf walk through these clouds without becoming a husk.

If I recall correctly, inhalation didn't work for the cloud syndrome.

[i2amroy]

For the most part dwarves almost always have some part of their body uncovered (hands/head mostly). It might be possible that the mod you are running this in has a different basic state.

[Telgin]

It's a heavily modified version of one of the old pony mods.  That does have some obvious changes to clothing and armor, but especially for civilians there should be some exposed body parts.  Tails come to mind.

Actually, come to think of it, it's possible that soldiers could be completely covered.  I'm not sure how the armor covers them precisely.  Helms don't normally cover faces, do they?  I'm not entirely sure how DF decides that, actually.  Tails may be covered by lower body clothes and armor, I'm not entirely sure.

Based on combat reports and general feel for it, those appear to be exposed though...

[DWC]

Howdy, I'm working on modding my game in the spirit of the 'Accelerated DF/ Modest Mod' method.

I'm trying to figure out what to do with clothing and armor and I need some ideas. My goal is to streamline the types and amount of clothing worn, but without taking away too much protection or unbalancing anything. I'm thinking of making custom clothing to resolve some of this. I'm wondering if say, shoes/caps/gloves should work like socks and can be worn under armor boots, so they only put on and remove armor going on and off duty, or if simplifying the crap an individual wears would be better by having them get rid of their shoes. Not sure how buggy this all is either.

Also considering a single generic 'uniform' clothing piece for non-dwarves to wear, since dwarves can't wear their crap anyways they don't need to be standardized across every race and goblin invaders can afford to have their clothing abstracted a bit.

In the same vein, I'm wondering if a single upper body item like a shirt or coat can replicate the mysterious protective qualities of multiple cloaks. Same with hoods. So a single substantial item can replace the stacks of cloaks and hoods without sacrificing protection.

Also, is there actually a protective difference between leather armor and leather clothing? Testing in the arena suggests there isn't but maybe I'm doing it wrong.

What do siegers/ ambushers wear for armor anymore? I noticed in adventure mode the soldiers and whatnot all have a very standard uniform of a metal cap or helm and a single torso armor. Never any boots or gauntlets or anything.

[D_E]

Actually, come to think of it, it's possible that soldiers could be completely covered.  I'm not sure how the armor covers them precisely.  Helms don't normally cover faces, do they?  I'm not entirely sure how DF decides that, actually.  Tails may be covered by lower body clothes and armor, I'm not entirely sure.

Based on combat reports and general feel for it, those appear to be exposed though...

The wiki has a good explanation of how armor coverage works.