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[Iysif]

What I'm trying to do must be possible.. right? After seeing so many incredibly complex mods I can't help but think it shouldn't be that hard to butcher sentient creatures. I just need to know where to start!

[jaxy15]

What I'm trying to do must be possible.. right? After seeing so many incredibly complex mods I can't help but think it shouldn't be that hard to butcher sentient creatures. I just need to know where to start!

It's VERY easy, actually. In the raw/objects folder, open entity_default. Look for ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER and ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL and change them to ACCEPTABLE. Make sure it's under ENTITY:MOUNTAIN, though.

[Iysif]

What I'm trying to do must be possible.. right? After seeing so many incredibly complex mods I can't help but think it shouldn't be that hard to butcher sentient creatures. I just need to know where to start!

It's VERY easy, actually. In the raw/objects folder, open entity_default. Look for ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER and ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL and change them to ACCEPTABLE. Make sure it's under ENTITY:MOUNTAIN, though.

Ah I should have been more specific. I meant in adventure mode :O

[jaxy15]

What I'm trying to do must be possible.. right? After seeing so many incredibly complex mods I can't help but think it shouldn't be that hard to butcher sentient creatures. I just need to know where to start!

It's VERY easy, actually. In the raw/objects folder, open entity_default. Look for ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER and ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL and change them to ACCEPTABLE. Make sure it's under ENTITY:MOUNTAIN, though.

Ah I should have been more specific. I meant in adventure mode :O

Not possible in adventure mode. I've heard that you can butcher sentient creatures if you're VERY hungry, though.

[Iysif]

What I'm trying to do must be possible.. right? After seeing so many incredibly complex mods I can't help but think it shouldn't be that hard to butcher sentient creatures. I just need to know where to start!

It's VERY easy, actually. In the raw/objects folder, open entity_default. Look for ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER and ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL and change them to ACCEPTABLE. Make sure it's under ENTITY:MOUNTAIN, though.

Ah I should have been more specific. I meant in adventure mode :O

Not possible in adventure mode. I've heard that you can butcher sentient creatures if you're VERY hungry, though.

Hmm. What about a "spell" that (if you're standing on a corpse) creates the body parts (or similar parts) of the creature from nothing without actually using the corpse, and possibly removes the corpse as well? That way you (in effect) butcher the corpse. I think I know how to create items, but I don't know how to make the corpse necessary, or make the body parts have the (elf) description, etc.

[Joben]

I want to try a tiny little mod project, i figured it would add slings to the game.

If I write item entries for them will they just appear in the game? (at least on generating a new world?)

Secondary question: What do you think of these stats?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SLING]
[NAME:sling:slings]
[SIZE:100]
[SKILL:LASHER]
[RANGED:LASHER:BULLET]
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000] I suppose you could swing harder and harder, but the force prevents it from getting out of hand.
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:50000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:50;bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]

[ITEM_AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_BULLETS]
[NAME:bullet:bullets]
[CLASS:BULLET]
[SIZE:150]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:5:500:strike:strikes:NO_SUB:1000]

Tertiary question, what does the NO_SUB tag do?

[Kaleb702 Games]

Joben, I'm pretty sure (but I'm not a modder; this is just guesswork from my viewing of raws) that you need to add a way for them to be created. If you add it to the list of things made by the carpenters, then any civilization with carpenters should have it.

[Hugo_The_Dwarf]

I want to try a tiny little mod project, i figured it would add slings to the game.

If I write item entries for them will they just appear in the game? (at least on generating a new world?)

Secondary question: What do you think of these stats?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SLING]
[NAME:sling:slings]
[SIZE:100]
[SKILL:LASHER]
[RANGED:LASHER:BULLET]
[SHOOT_FORCE:1000]
[SHOOT_MAXVEL:1000] I suppose you could swing harder and harder, but the force prevents it from getting out of hand.
[TWO_HANDED:0]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:50000]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:2]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:50;bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]

[ITEM_AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_BULLETS]
[NAME:bullet:bullets]
[CLASS:BULLET]
[SIZE:150]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:5:500:strike:strikes:NO_SUB:1000]

Tertiary question, what does the NO_SUB tag do?

If you these are genned in the world they will exist. if you enable them on an entity then they will make them.

Also NO_SUB is like a NONE function, if for things like "flat"

a attack with NO_SUB would look like this "The dwarf slashes the goblin with his iron short sword"

a attack with "flat" would look like this "The dwarf slaps the goblin with the flat of his iron sword"

imagin "with the + <attack sub text>" is used if anything other then NO_SUB is in that spot.

[WillowLuman]

Shouldn't this skill used for actually shooting things with it be Thrower?

[SKILL:(Skill used for melee attacks)]
[RANGED:(Skill used for ranged attacks):AMMO]

[Joben]

@Kaleb702 Games Ahh thank you. Probably leatherworkers or generic craftsman though. This is the kind of sling David used, leather thong, not forked stick.

@Hugo_the_dwarf do you meant like in something like entitly_default.tx?
I would for example take bows off the kobold's common weapon list and put in my slings  instead? Would they know how to make them or is that not relavant for the purpsoses of NPC civs and/or Adventure mode?

@Hugolawman I see your argument. I wet with slinger innitially since the motion of using a sling, and swinigng a whip at at least within sight of eachother....A sling is a sorta mechanicallly asisted throwing arm though so i donno....

[i2amroy]

@Hugo_the_dwarf do you meant like in something like entitly_default.tx?
I would for example take bows off the kobold's common weapon list and put in my slings  instead? Would they know how to make them or is that not relavant for the purpsoses of NPC civs and/or Adventure mode?

Putting [WEAPON:XXX] or [AMMO:XXX] on a civ's entry in entity_default.txt will allow civs (both player and NPC) to make and use the listed weapons and ammo respectively.

[Iysif]

I like the sling idea a lot! You should look up sling usage and ancient military sling battle tactics. Very interesting stuff!

Were there any guides that really helped you guys get off the ground with your modding or was it mostly trial and error?

[Qwaar]

Hey, this scumbag again, just had an interesting thought. Forgotten beasts are more or less randomly put together right? Is there any way for something to use that template to put something together on its own, but with a limited pool.

Like say I have a pool of water, and its contaminated with some generic toxic waste of a evil biome, could I have the bloods its contaminated with be pool that its allowed to draw from for a contact based transformation syndrome for forgotten beasts?

This is just a generic, so if the specifics of that situation are no, I dont really mind, but for a long term goal in the future, it might be interesting to have a creature that samples from others, and whenever it needs an ally/spouse, darts a human with the concoction.

I imagine it would be impossible to let the game know what pools are useful to draw from though.

Also, its going to be a long time before I have this kind of prowess, as I'm still having trouble getting my centipede to work and still have to make its egg caste (found what the error was caused by though.)

[i2amroy]

Right now that wouldn't really work since so much of the random stuff is hardcoded. Instead the best way to get "random" things (such as a blood based syndrome), is to simply several different castes of the monster, each with a different syndrome on their blood, and then weight them to get the proper ratios. In a sense it's even better then the random generator since you can weight percentages of each thing occurring instead of just having ti be totally random.

Also the evil biome rain is all currently hardcoded sadly, so there isn't really anything you can do with it.

[WillowLuman]

Right now that wouldn't really work since so much of the random stuff is hardcoded. Instead the best way to get "random" things (such as a blood based syndrome), is to simply several different castes of the monster, each with a different syndrome on their blood, and then weight them to get the proper ratios. In a sense it's even better then the random generator since you can weight percentages of each thing occurring instead of just having ti be totally random.

Also the evil biome rain is all currently hardcoded sadly, so there isn't really anything you can do with it.

You can make custom evil rain, or turn it off. Lots you can do with it.