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[fungee]

*drool* Gonna try this out tomorrow when I have time! Thanks for the earlier than expected release

[NW_Kohaku]

Of course, the small section of society that isn't 90% farmer is what Fort Mode focuses on. Hopefully the coming farming rewrite and hill dwarves will both correct that imbalance.

Well, if we look at why people might want to emigrate in the DF game-world, it would probably be because they were either A) the younger children of farmers (who help on the farm as children, and as such, gain farming skill) that cannot inherit the land, and went off in search of other work they were not initially trained or skilled in (which is much like real life), or else, B) their farm/village/town was burned down by an invading army or a dragon or something, and so they are seeking refuge in a place that has a freakin' magma cannon and eats sieges for breakfast. 

Either way, it favors the less-protected farmers to be the immigrants. 

[idgarad]

Can we get nightly auto-build releases in the future so we can get bleeding edge releases to try?

[Montague]

One thing that occurred to me, is that the region you generate in world gen isn't even modelling a world, or at least should'nt be. It should be some small portion of a larger planet. Like, Ireland would be the region you play in and people can still come to and from Ireland.

I'd like to see changes that reflect that, I think many migrants should be spontaneous generated to reflect migrations from outside the region, instead of every migrant being a historical figure.

I'd also like to see the hard coded temperature gradients on world gen done away with to model a more homogenous geographical region, like Ireland.

[Starver]

It is rather Euclidean in nature, but I always consider it to be an entire world (maybe not a planet, but a "platter-world").  The edge-effect (whether mostly landlocked or oceanic entirely all the way round in an Island embark variation) is a peculiarity, but if it was wrap-around it'd probably be toroidal, anyway.

Scale-wise, I know it's generally smaller than a planet, but I haven't really given a mind to the theoretical sizes that everything from Pocket to maximum-sized worlds are.  (I'm sure this has been quantized, perhaps in the same threads that discussed how Z-levels are logarithmically varying according to their height.)  But if you're truly bothered by no-one wandering in (or out?) via the edges, then the island variation will actually be very much like Ireland, and (with the current mechanics eschewing watercraft) explain the lack of edge-migration.

Despite all that, Armok knows that there's enough nastiness around the world to cause problems to more than explain why "off the edge" is not a good place to go, or come from...  IMO.

[Zara]

Let's see if the clothes lying around bug is fixed in this version.

Too bad, apparently it isn't fixed. When I started a military, my new captain of the guard dropped his clothes when it he put on his new metal armor, and didn't make any attempts to store them properly. Must be part of this bug: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=535 It would really appreciate it, if we could get this issue fixed with one of the bugfixes in this release. 

[NW_Kohaku]

Scale-wise, I know it's generally smaller than a planet, but I haven't really given a mind to the theoretical sizes that everything from Pocket to maximum-sized worlds are.  (I'm sure this has been quantized, perhaps in the same threads that discussed how Z-levels are logarithmically varying according to their height.) 

Math powers, INTEGRATE!

It depends on your assumptions of how large a tile is, of course, but assuming a 3-meter-cubed cubic tile, then you can reduce from the circumference of the Earth (roughly 40,000 km) and the 48 tiles in a single local map tile, and 16 local map tiles in a region map tile.

Or, in other words, a single region tile is roughly 5 km², and a single edge is 2.3 km long.

To reach 40,000 km, then, you would need a map with roughly 17,400 region tiles width at the equator. 

Meanwhile, the largest map we can generate is 257² in size.  That equates to 592 km along one edge and a total area of 152,157 km², compared to the Earth's 510,072,000 km², or roughly 0.02% of the surface area of the Earth.

Interestingly enough, Ireland has a surface area of 70,273 km², so a 125x257 sized map of Ireland would be roughly accurate.

[rtg593]

Yes because I just finished designating and digging 120 levels to get to magma, and found it highly frustrating...

You *did* remember to use the new 3D-designation, right?

I would have... If I hadn't been writing a post saying I'm excited a new release just came out with this new tool, because I just finished doing this...

[Buttery_Mess]

I couldn't help but note the difference between the historical figures number and the number of dead; this should give the sort of historical figure population. If memory serves, in my Large world, it was about 18000 people, whereas in older versions it was about 2000 for a comparable world size. I could be wrong on this, but it might explain some world gen speed decrease. It might also explain the titan genocide.

EDIT: I noticed in the ask Toady thread or whatever it's called that someone said they'd noticed lightening fast bandits running over to them and masacaring them after taking one step. I don't think this is a bug; it just happened to me, but I think it was supposed to happen.

See, I had just taken an arrow to the leg, which snapped a tendon, sending me to the ground. The enormous group of bandits that had jumped me had quickly wiped out my army of followers (I'd just spent about half an hour recruiting them), so I equipped the world's only crutch that I'd found in some lair, and stood up. Standing up was okay, but I took one step, and the whole bandit group ran over and started laying into me. I'd forgotten that having a crutch slows you down based on your skill, and this was the first time I'd used a crutch, so I had no skill. Therefore, I'd handed many turns of combat to the enterprising elf bandit who'd killed me by moving one step. Irritating.

Still, it would be nice if I could travel the wilds a bit. These bandits are just overwhelming. I can't go anywhere. Why are there so many? There's no point in doing quests, because you can't go from one town to another without killing enough bandits to increase your rep by taking them out.

On the whole, adventure mode is great. All the features are good; it's just a shame there's nothing to buy in towns apart from food, bone rubbish, and clothes. I've found one weapon shop, and one gem cutter's so far.

The game, as it stands now, would sorely benefit from the ability to feed your followers, equip them with armour and weapons, and a hospital for adventurers.

It's still great though. It reminds me of Syndicate. Kill bandits so that you can persuadatron people.

[Kearn]

when i attempt to link a lever to an upright spear trap, one of the options on the list is an upright candy stick in an undiscovered funhouse in the caverns

[rtg593]

Hmmm.... Only 10 minutes to reach 250 years... Going for a 550 to see if this *looks both ways* hacked DF exe works any better :-D Since, you know, no ones been able to get past 250...

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5528

EDIT: all settings to default, except larger history and frequent minerals. Didn't change anything else.

E2: 20 minutes in, 338 years. 154,202 historical figures, 149,876 dead. Oi.

E3: Bah. 346 years at 22 minutes, windows suddenly said it stopped working... Still, 10 minutes to 250 years seems a bit faster than what everyone else was saying...

2.3 gz Dual core, 3 gig ram. 64-bit Win7.

[abadidea]

E3: Bah. 346 years at 22 minutes, windows suddenly said it stopped working... Still, 10 minutes to 250 years seems a bit faster than what everyone else was saying...

It did not stop working. Rather it is never getting around to checking its pending operating system events, which to Windows looks the same.

[rtg593]

E3: Bah. 346 years at 22 minutes, windows suddenly said it stopped working... Still, 10 minutes to 250 years seems a bit faster than what everyone else was saying...

It did not stop working. Rather it is never getting around to checking its pending operating system events, which to Windows looks the same.

I assumed.

Test 2, 4 minutes in, smaller world, fewer civilizations, at 765 years, 1 year per second. Went for 1050 years to see how far it would go. Definitely way faster with less world to work with, and fewer civilizations...

EDIT: 7 minutes, smaller world, fewer civilizations, frequent minerals. 1,050 year generation complete. Cool. Now that Pheobeus and Therapist are working for .34, lets' strike the earth!

EDIT2: :-( I hit export to see what it did...when my mouse cursor came back I hit enter to go... and it crashed

[Lord Shonus]

Still not sure if it's a bug, but legends mode seems to be a 100% guaranteed way to identify any vampire. This thus carries on to engravings. On a related note, here's the nastiest vampire I've found yet. (Copied with OneNote, so there are OCR errors.) About to go kill it.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Par Parmirash was a elf vampire born in 292. She was of unknown parentage.
In the early spring of 574. Par became the sacred esteem of The Strapping Communion.
In 501. Par married lizin Rushedscours.
In the early sumner oF 509. Par profaned The Monastery of Ijheels in Clowadwired.
In the early summer of 509. Nepe cursed Par to prowl the night in search of blood in Glowadmired.
In the late summer of 592. Par aroused general suspicion in Glowadmirad after a murder.
In the late summer of 592. Par fled to Iaxauras.
In 593. Par became a ranger in Waxauras.
In the early spring of 610. Par aroused general suspicion in Waxauras after a murder.
In the early spring of 610. Par stopped being a ranger in .Iaxauras.
In the early spring of 610. Par fled to terrorscar.
In 619. Par became a ranger in Terrorscar.
In 621. Par began scouting the area around Terrorscar.
In the midspring of 635. Par aroused general suspicion in Terrorecar after a murder.
In the midapring of 635. Par fled to Jungletirad.
In 636. Par became a woodcrafter in Jurigletired.
In the midspring of 693. Par aroused general suspicion in Jungletirel after a murder.
In the midspring of 693. Par stopped being a woodcrafter in Jungletired.
In the midspring of 693. Par fled to ,nermoisten.d.
In 694. Par became a fishery worker in Ownermoist.ned.
In 730. Par began wandering the wilds.
In the early winter of 731. Par aroused general suspicion in Ownermoistened after a murder.
In the early winier of 731. Par fled to Marketfed.
In 732. Par became a ranger in $arketfed.
In 740. Par began hunting great beasts in The Jungles of Trust.
In the early autumn of 775. Par aroused general suspicion in Merketfed after a murder.
In the early autumn of 771. Par fled to flulwarkdated.
In 776. Par became a farmer in Bulwarkdated.
In the early autumn of 791. Par aroused general suspicion in &alwarkdated after a murder.
In the early autumn of 791. Par stopped being a farmer in tulwarkdated.
In the early autumn of 791. Par fled to Sneahrealms.
In 792. Par became a fishery worker in Sneabrealma.
In the early autumn of Ill. Par aroused general suspicion in Sneakr.alms after a murder.
In the early autumn of 801. Par stopped being a fishery worker in Sneakr.alme.
In the early autumn of 881. Par fled to Drilledsinged.
In 082. Par became a farmer in Drilledsinged.
In the midwinter of $59. Par aroused general suspicion in Drilladsingad after a murder.
In the midwinter of $59. Par stopped being a farmer in Drilledsinged.
In the midwinter of $59. Par fled to Burewash.
In 060. Par became a cheese maker in Burnuash.
In 983. Par began hunting great beasts in The llnswerwing Jungle.
In the lat. summer of 984. Par aroused general suspicion in turnwesh after a murder.
In the late summer of 904. Par fled to Pramesaffron.
In 905. Par became a farmer in Pramesaffron.
In the early autumn of 935. Par aroused general suspicion in Pramesaffron after a murder.
In the early autumn of 935. Par stopped being a farmer in Pramesaffron.
In the early autumn of 935. Par fled to Spiraltruss.
In 936. Par became a craftsman in Spiraltruss.
In the early summer of 943. Par aroused general suspicion in Spiraltruss after a murder
In the early summer of 943. Par stopped bring a craftsman in Spiraltruss.
In the early summer of 943. Par fled to Oxshoves.
In 944. Par became a fisherman in Oxshoves.
In the late spring of 984. Par aroused general suspicion in Oxshoues after a murder.
In the late spring of 984. Par stopped bring a fisherman in Oxshoves.
In the late spring of 984. Par fled to Sun3ccagle.
In 985. Par became a farmer in Sunkeagic.
Belated Historical Figures
Emtha Scuipteddawn. object of worship
Uzin Rushedscours. husband. b. 294 d. 590
Thow Dcanstylcs. eldest son. 1. 582 d. 600
Thilu Glimmeredf lowers. second eldest son. b. 583 d. 698
Thele Hoofdawns. eldest daughter. b. 584 d. 698
Pna Glossedeye. youngest daughter. b. 585 d. 678
Enina Sensedclam. youngest son. b. 587 d. 699
The Lilac of Graves (former member>
The Strapping Communion (former member>
The Famous Leaue (former member>
The Strapping Communion <sacred esteem. 574—592)
The Crazy Councils (former member)
The Council of Plums (former member)
The Band of Shores (former member)
The Padded Group (former member>
The Council of Laces (former member>
The Group of Glows (former member)
The Harmonious League (former member)
The Band of Mops (former member>
The Band of Defenses (former member)
The Bare Band (former member)
The Nourishing Group (former member)
The Deep Council (former member>
The Scarlet Society <member>
Belated Sites
Sunkeagle <home)
Six humans in Glowadmired
Nine humans in Glowadmired
Eight dwarves in Glowadmired
Eight dwarves in Glowadmired
Nine humans in Waxauras
Six humane in Waxauras
Two goblins in Terrorscer
One goblin in Tcrrorscar
One human in Jungletired
One human in Jungletired
Three humans in Ownermoistened
Two humans in Ownermoistened
Two humans in Marketfed
One human in Merketfed
Two hundred seventy—three dwarves in Bulwarkdated
Two hundred sixty—six dwarves in Bulwarkdated
One hundred nine humans in Bulwarkdated
One hundred four humans in Bulwarkdated
Five humans in Sneakrcalms
Two humans in Sneakrealms
Two humans in Drilledsinged
Two humans in Drilledsinged
Three humans in Burnwash
One human in Burnwash
One human in Framesaffron
Two humans in Framesaffron
Eight,—eight humans in Spiraltruss
Eighty—three humans in Spiraltruss
Sixty—six dwarves in Spiraltruss
Seventy dwarves in Spiraltruss
One human in Oxshoves
Two humans in Oxshovrs
One human in Sunkeagle

[NW_Kohaku]

Minor Bug:
When I made a glazed statue, I noticed this in the description:

"This is a well-crafted earthenware statue of dwarves.
The item is a well-designed image of two dwarves in earthenware by Tulom Zelerogem.
It is glazed with oval tin glazed cabochons."

Oval cabochons is a gem cut...

This is because cassiterite has [IS_STONE], and you are supposed to be able to cut stone like a gem.  I modded the game in a way that glazes were considered bone meal, and it stopped happening.

It's on Mantis already, before you say anything.