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Hold onto BIOGEN

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Sell BIOGEN to reinvest elsewhere

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Sell BIOGEN to create a new Biotechnology company(100% owned by Peak)

2 (50%)

Sell BIOGEN to buy up several weaker, well run companies

2 (50%)

Total Members Voted: 4

Voting closed: February 14, 2012, 09:35:34 pm

[Deadmeat1471]

This is just a little commentary on a game i'm playing, I love this game, I have loved it for many years. It's a little bit pricey for what it is, but it's a purchase i've never regretted! The demo is pretty awesome too.

http://www.roninsoft.com/wsraider.htm

Currently, in about 8 years ive gone from $1000m(million) networth to currently 11,000.
Most of this was trading in oil futures and riding BP's and Chevrons stock up to about 300% margins, having done this I believed the oil market tapped out for long term profits in high amounts, so I looked for a fresh market. Thats where I came to Biotechnology.

After building up about $7000m in my trading company 'Peak holdings' I used this to buy a 25% stake in the top Bio Technology company at the moment, Biogen. I recently sold 5% to raise some capital, Peak Holdings has about 3000 to play with and Biogen is rapidly expanding business assets by about 20% per annum.
Biogen is in the most rapidly expanding industry there is, Biotech, but this is putting a strain on the companys credit rating (BBB), I feel the company can only afford to expand at current levels for another 2-5 years. Any longer and the company will have alot of debt troubles I think

Spoiler: Biogen (click to show/hide)

As CEO of Biogen, im currently raking in about $4 million PA in wages. Awesome. Biogen currently owns about 35% of the Biotech market, with the next best at around 9%. A Very strong position, but the industry is fairly new with very much area for competition.

Now,
1) I could dump Biogen at this time, and rake in about $8000m and absolving myself of the growth issues for the long term. Peak would then have made about 200% margin on the Biogen stock and be in an amazing position to reinvest.

2) Or I could hold onto Biogen and keep it for the long term.

3) I also believe I could sell Biogen and start up a brand new Biotech company and immediatly have the assets to outstrip every other biotech company in market share. This is a risk however as starting any new company is.

*note, Biogen is a subsidiary of Peak Holdings, so PH gets profit from its cash deposits(cash) and dividends etc from Biogen paid from owning the stock. I also use Peak to gamble on the oil futures market, very successfully. But currently the oil price is too high.

[Deadmeat1471]

People can join in if they wish, err we could have a board of directors for Peak Holdings
Can offer new ideas, such as invest in oil futures to raise capital, have a look around for rapidly growing industrys, buy some bonds, look for some oil company stocks that look promising, acquire a new company, attempt a merger etc etc

[inteuniso]

You are renaming yourself to Mitt Romney so you can later run for president.

[mainiac]

How about cashing out and buying up the competition?  If Biogen is the industry leader the others would logically have more growth potential.  Find one with a good management team and expand it?

[Deadmeat1471]

How about cashing out and buying up the competition?  If Biogen is the industry leader the others would logically have more growth potential.  Find one with a good management team and expand it?

This is an idea, but the game works upon the idea that the profit you can get out of a company is largely effected by its market share, so the top company will be more secure than the bottom and get better profit margins. So I think in the end, the top company will have better growth (from better profits) than the others. But yeah, this is definitely a legitimate idea.

*added this to the vote poll.

E. Also I think the biotech companys are vastly inflated above their actual value in stock price, due to the amazing profits and growth from the sector. I think this might hamper attempts to make profit from existing companys, though I couldn't say for sure how much of an effect this would have. It depends really how much longer the sector can have such high growth and demand.

You are renaming yourself to Mitt Romney so you can later run for president.

 


E. I've had a look, I think i'll advise holding onto BIOGEN and cutting back on the growth for a while and raking in some capital to repay debt. The sector if anything is growing stronger and making more sales at higher prices than when I bought BIOGEN.

Peak can still buy I think at least 1 smaller company in the biotech industries, so we can could still do that. BIOGEN's stock price I can't see continuing to rise tho, so If I don't sell it now, were gonna be in it for the long run. Say 5+ years before we can equitably get out again.

[Deadmeat1471]

I have decided, we shall keep BIOGEN, and buy up another biotech industry, barring any other ideas!

[Deadmeat1471]

From 2016-2018 I bought a 20% stake in a Biotech industry, ended up selling at a 11% loss. Bet on the oil futures and used Peaks credit line to soak up some early losses, then the oil price soared and we ended up with a huge $34551m ($3.4 trillion?)  cash at the end of it. This is from buying about $5 billion in oil futures.

Biogen is going well but has slowed down, Peak Holding's stock has obviously soared with several stock splits its in awesome condition. I think we can buy a leader in another industry, or maybe a bank. We have enormous capital at our disposal now.

Ok I bought 25% stake in HSBC holdings and now Peak Holdings has HSBC holdings as a subsidiary, a company which owns as a subsidiary the Hong Kong - Shanghai bank, a good powerful bank. Aswell as the National Westminster Bank. HSBC infact has 4 times the networth to Peak. That bank is very good.

I got elected to be CEO of Westminster bank.

I then merged HSBC into Peak holdings so we now have a single company with massive subsidiaries. Awesome. Peak still has some outstanding cash ($3 billion) but have spent alot to purchase HSBC.

Spoiler: Diagram of holdings (click to show/hide)

[gimlet]

If you're gonna hold BIOGEN, think about trying to tank its share price temporarily or watch for dips so you can pick up at least another 10% or so - then reflate the share price so you have the flexibility of doing a stock offering without diluting your share % below 20% for example.

Although if the share price is really crazy relative to assets/income, yeah starting up another biotech or 2 that you own 100%, pumping up THEIR share price to crazy-high and then doing public stock offering to get more cash in them, then merging into BIOGEN is one way to go...

Dammit now I want to fire it up again, looks like I missed the 6.20 and 6.30 releases - swaps and ETFs, yum!  I used to make my mid-game money mainly from timing bonds and dismembering companies with big bond holdings at the right time.  And the ol pump and dump.  Ahh good times...

Argh ninja'd - yeah buy or start a bank is a great idea.  Also, is Wally Raider dead yet?  Time to think about at least keeping him contained....

[Deadmeat1471]

If you're gonna hold BIOGEN, think about trying to tank its share price temporarily or watch for dips so you can pick up at least another 10% or so - then reflate the share price so you have the flexibility of doing a stock offering without diluting your share % below 20% for example.

Although if the share price is really crazy relative to assets/income, yeah starting up another biotech or 2 that you own 100%, pumping up THEIR share price to crazy-high and then doing public stock offering to get more cash in them, then merging into BIOGEN is one way to go...

Dammit now I want to fire it up again, looks like I missed the 6.20 and 6.30 releases - swaps and ETFs, yum!  I used to make my mid-game money mainly from timing bonds and dismembering companies with big bond holdings at the right time.  And the ol pump and dump.  Ahh good times...

Argh ninja'd - yeah buy or start a bank is a great idea.  Also, is Wally Raider dead yet?  Time to think about at least keeping him contained....

Wally is really sucking, hes at about 1/10th of my networth.
I need to get a newer version sometime, apparently I only have 6.01 :/ When I get some moneys I will get an update!

Agree on the BIOGEN stuff, really should pick up more stock in it.

[gimlet]

You still might want to get to work on Wally before he lucks out and solidifies his holdings, then he can be a royal pain to take down AND he tries to interfere with your stuff...

Although with enough pyramiding and grabbing temporary control of a sacrificial bank, you can usually slap him down pretty well even though it might take gutting half the Fortune 50 companies, heh.  Now I REALLY want to fire it up again

Edit: Also you should aim for getting your holding company 100% owned by you soon, or start another one for your profitable stuff and leave this for your Jolly Roger pyramiding...

[Deadmeat1471]

Yeh it was 100% before i merged with HSBC, but it got diluted in the process.

[Deadmeat1471]

Well I played about 10 years.

The economy totally collapsed when oil peaked, literally nearly collapsed. Like 17% interest rates on loans, the economy withdrew down to about 20% of its pre crisis area.... I lost a bunch of companys. But at the end Natwest managed to hold on and I managed to keep BIOGEN, though BIOGEN is no longer the leader but a leader in the industry.

Wally raider managed to take advantage of the worlds stock prices crashing and he is now beating me, slightly.

Random note, British airways defaulted on its loans and natwest got control, Google also went bankrupt in the crash.

Peak Holdings was in trouble for a bit, got into a bit of debt in the massive crash. But we made it through. Albeit a shadow of our former selves.

We own Natwest bank and BIOGEN now, thats it. Natwest however is going strong now the economy has recovered. All things being equal, I think I did good only loosing only about 1/3 of our networth when the entire economy collapsed.
The plan right now is to grow and recover from the evil recession. It's 2024 and the economy is on pre 2012 levels.
I've managed to keep BIOGEN afloat only because I gave my whole fortune of $2 billion dollars to the company from my own pocket. Pfft.

[mainiac]

$2?

[Deadmeat1471]

$2 billion dollars

Fixed.

[gimlet]

Oooh I *love* when interest rates are way high or way low, bonus if they're moving fast.  When they're high I make a ton of money buying companies that have issued lots of callable bonds - they're on the books at $1000 but you can buy them back at a fraction of the cost and *poof* magical balance sheet improvement.  It's often worth selling business assets to do it.  Then I buy government bonds everywhere I have any spare cash at all, they'll really shoot up in value when rates drop (but be careful taking on too much debt to do it - it's not impossible that interest rates could go even higher for a while.)