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[A Spoony Bard]

Whatever magical shit Simon Belmont has that causes holy water to ignite flames on the ground.

[Gizogin]

More ice magic!  You know how water can break rocks by seeping into the cracks and then freezing?  Well, with ice magic, I'd be able to do it faster and with/to anything!

[monk12]

I will say, assuming the magic in my setting restricts me to mastery of one of the classical elements I would definitely go Water. Water tends to be the most versatile, although Air is a close second.

[Max White]

I will say, assuming the magic in my setting restricts me to mastery of one of the classical elements I would definitely go Water. Water tends to be the most versatile, although Air is a close second.

But the problem with water is that the ice guy just locks you down in seconds without any effort. It would be like fighting fire with petrol. Speaking of, the fire guy would be an interesting challenge, and come down to who ever had more to give. Against stone it would be endurance, as stone might be pretty fucking tough, but the smallest crystals of ice can shatter the mightiest boulder. Not even sure how to fight the air guy, as if we are drawing moisture from the air then he might have one up.

Wait, we are using pokemon logic, right?

[monk12]

I was assuming that the classical elements would be Water, Air, Earth, and Fire. _{gooo planet!} Hence, Ice is a subset of Water.

Assuming our element tree looks more like Pokemon, then Ice is weak to Fire, since he can just melt it into Water. Although, if you've got Rock powers then Ice is only super-effective if there are cracks to squeeze into- presumably my magics could conjure a perfectly smooth Orb o' Fuck-yo-shit.

Water v Air is an interesting fight, and likely comes down to who goes first- does the Air mage suffocate you where you stand, or does the Water mage Blood-bend first?

[Max White]

Well we are using pokemon logic in that X > Y > Z > X based off what happens in real life, rather than how you choose to implement it. If we were using Harry Potter logic then anything beats anything if you use it right. Air could beat anybody due to just suffocating them, but that would be boring, thus pokemon logic.
But just because we are using pokemon logic doesn't mean we have to use their paper scissors rock matrix. We can fill our own PSR matrixs with elements of any description, and even maybe even include a type hierarchy, each with their own battle match up multipliers.
Any more abstractions I can fit in here?

[Nega]

I'd have to go with Polymorphing. Why use some elements to do things for you, when you can do it yourself. Why get others to build something, or acomplish something for you, that you could have the satisfaction of doing yourself? Why have someone follow a truck when you can just turn into a bird and follow it?  Besides, who doesn't want to literally be a fly on the wall of whoever you want to snoop on?

[Max White]

We could totally make a massive element hierarchy, for no reason other than it is fun...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Elemental
-Water
--Ice
-Air
--Lightning
-Fire
-Earth
--Stone
--Metal
--Crystal
Arcane
-Life
--Transformation
--Blood
--Mind
-Death
--Plague
--Famine
--War
Meta-magics
-Space
--Teleportation
-Time
-- Clairvoyance
-Luck

[lemon10]

I was assuming that the classical elements would be Water, Air, Earth, and Fire. _{gooo planet!} Hence, Ice is a subset of Water.

Assuming our element tree looks more like Pokemon, then Ice is weak to Fire, since he can just melt it into Water. Although, if you've got Rock powers then Ice is only super-effective if there are cracks to squeeze into- presumably my magics could conjure a perfectly smooth Orb o' Fuck-yo-shit.

Water v Air is an interesting fight, and likely comes down to who goes first- does the Air mage suffocate you where you stand, or does the Water mage Blood-bend first?

Blood magic is typically un-allowed for people that have simple mastery of water, just like you can't tear the air out of someones lungs through their chest, take the oxygen out of their blood cells, ignite a flame inside them, or tear the metals out of their blood and use them to explode their brain because it would make all fights between archmages boring and a 1-hit ko win for whoever attacks first.

[FuzzyZergling]

Biomancer/Biokinetic.

Blood golems for everyone!

[EveryZig]

In other news, Fictionmancy.

Anything or anyone that does not adhere exactly to the real world, I can summon, command, and control.

Think about that plan again for a moment. You would have power to summon and control things that don't exist. As in, the power to bring them into existence.
I mean, sure you could summon a god, but once he exists your powers would no longer apply to him. Hope he decides to take your side in things.

Bloodbending/suffocation/etc

I think it is generally assumed that people in most settings have a resistance to hostile magic cast directly on/inside them.

Hmm, if direct-kills were easily available and widely practiced, mage duels would be a lot like pistol duels in westerns. Walk ten paces, turn, and the fastest cast wins.

[Dermonster]

Just because they exist doesn't mean they now adhere to the real world. I don't control things that don't exist, I control things that shouldn't exist. I can't summon a glass of water, but I can sure as hell summon a minecraft water source block and such. Just because they now do exist, doesn't mean they are supposed to.

Though I could always just summon the ability to summon and control regular things. Recursion for the win.

[Max White]

If summoning is a thing that exists, because you clearly have that ability, then you can't summon the ability to summon things.

[Dermonster]

Just because it does exist, doesn't mean it's supposed to. Our universe uses A. Fictional reality's summoning system inherently works because their universe uses B. Therefore I can use/summon/control it. The same to anything that is not A. The only magical thing I can do in A is summon/use things that aren't A.

Therefor, because Person/power/item ? resides in, say, universe C, I can control it and use it even when I bring it to A because it never stops being C.

[Max White]

Do we have a list of things that are fictional and things that aren't, if fictional things can also be things that are things? I mean what if I get David Attenborough to do a documentary on it? Does it become real?