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[Gatleos]

my position is dwarf fortress should drop the slaves to armok part of the tittle, and the randomly generated subtitle should be given more atention

The problem being that "Dwarf Fortress" is the least accurate part of the title. By the time the game is done, starting dwarven fortresses will just be one small part of the game.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

either way, the setting in which the games happen will be progressivelly more procedurally generated, so any name it might accuire should be more like a generic description of the game than anything plot related, like the name of a god. Infinite Worlds: tales of empires and heroes, is a good example, albeit a terrible name.

[Gatleos]

I think that Slaves to Armok on its own is a good title; it's vague, and implies nothing more than the framing story of a god dicking around with mortals' affairs. But I suppose then it would basically have the same name as the previous game.

But the title will either have to change at one point, or simply become an artifact title that means nothing.

[bombzero]

*GASP* how dare you suggest a change from Dwarf Fortress as the title!!!

still, dwarfs will always be a key function of the game, and i have no problem with the title being a reflection of the past.
even if we get different embark races, even if we get 101 things for adventure mode, i would personally like the title to remain Dwarf Fortress.

(besides changing series titles to simply fit the game is a common feature of.... mainstream games... *shudders*)

[Askot Bokbondeler]

well, we're more talking about changing the slaves to armok part

[bombzero]

Armok has simply become a ingrained joke at this point, as he/it/she/they/cake is so far undefined in DF in any way, shape, or form other than what we give him/it/her/them/cakes.

so for the renaming to be logical Armok would have to be actually implemented, which may just drain the random deity idea down to redundancy.
also, i have had a dwarf who's deity was the god of blood, the deity's name was not Armok. (sadly)

i dont know it just seems like renaming Dwarf Fortress would sort of kill the game a bit for everyone who was already playing it, and newer players would understand why it was named that after a short time on the forums.


anyways, we shouldn't have to worry about DF having a name crisis until somewhere around Toady's 48th birthday. so were good.

[MaskedMiner]

Armok is in-game reason for world gen so I'm not sure if he ever should be implemented 

Why do I think that? http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Armok Because that was his reason to exist in original Slaves of Armok game

"Armok, the God of Blood, is just about the only constant in these chaotic random universes. A general sense of conflict keeps Armok appeased - when the universe becomes too boring it is set on the anvil of creation to be reforged."

"The destruction of the world by Armok will arise inevitably in most game worlds. As civilizations spread and the frontier closes, the world will start to look homogeneous. Armok, looking upon this decadence in disgust, will reform the world. Basically, when the universe has become too boring, it will be changed."

While that game never got finished, as this game is "Chapter 2" we can assume same holds for here.

So yeah, you gen a new world? Armok created that world. You abort the world gen/delete save file? Armok got bored.

[Urist_McArathos]

Armok is in-game reason for world gen so I'm not sure if he ever should be implemented 

Why do I think that? http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Armok Because that was his reason to exist in original Slaves of Armok game

"Armok, the God of Blood, is just about the only constant in these chaotic random universes. A general sense of conflict keeps Armok appeased - when the universe becomes too boring it is set on the anvil of creation to be reforged."

"The destruction of the world by Armok will arise inevitably in most game worlds. As civilizations spread and the frontier closes, the world will start to look homogeneous. Armok, looking upon this decadence in disgust, will reform the world. Basically, when the universe has become too boring, it will be changed."

While that game never got finished, as this game is "Chapter 2" we can assume same holds for here.

So yeah, you gen a new world? Armok created that world. You abort the world gen/delete save file? Armok got bored.

This seems to fit with the "Player is Armok" theory: Armok influences the mortals to do things, build or destroy or conquer as the whim strikes him.  When the universe becomes too boring a plaything for him anymore, he remakes it anew.

Your actions in game fit that perfectly: you gen the world, decide if it looks like fun (keep it!) or not (remake it!), then play it (control according to your unknowable whims!) until you decide it's time for a new world altogether (destroy and remake!).

[bombzero]

so the player IS Armok!

well i guess that solves it...

[Loud Whispers]

so the player IS Armok!

well i guess that solves it...

Or you're getting tricked by Armok into thinking you're Armok.

[MaskedMiner]

so the player IS Armok!

well i guess that solves it...

Or you're getting tricked by Armok into thinking you're Armok.

Or Armok is god of the real world controlling the player who is controlling the dwarves.

[Gatleos]

But where does Kurtulmak fit into all this?



« Last Edit: Today at 11:37:42 pm by Kurtulmak »

[King DZA]

I can't be Armok, as too many of our views conflict with each other. The only way it could be possible would be if Armok was some weird alter ego of mine or something.

...

Hm.

[Loud Whispers]

I can't be Armok, as too many of our views conflict with each other. The only way it could be possible would be if Armok was some weird alter ego of mine or something.

Who is Armok?

He could be anyone.
 
Everyone.

[vins]

My standard rooms for sleeping are 5x5.