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I think the suggestion is simple enough... Dwarves could get happy thoughts from seeing danger, or dangerous things from a safe vantage point. An example being a combat area built into the middle of the legendary dining hall, either a pit or a windowed area. When the dwarves see combat or captured enemies in there they get a happy thought.

Urist McDwarfy is ecstatic today, she saw a captured enemy, she saw a captured enemy in one sided combat. 

Another one could be seeing enemies from the castle walls who have no ranged weapons, or dangerous animals from up high (alligators in the river below).

... she realized she was in the safety of the castle.


Thoughts ?

[Monk321654]

On one hand, the Gladiator thing sounds pretty... Sound.
But when you see enemies charging your fort, you might be happy for a second before you realize "Oh piss, they're coming after US!"
Sorta mixed reviews here.

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Fair enough, what situations might be permissible ? 

Happy thoughts coming from seeing invaders does sound a bit odd.

[Ultimuh]

Fair enough, what situations might be permissible ? 

Happy thoughts coming from seeing invaders does sound a bit odd.

Maybe the dwarves admire their very nice looking copper swords and armors?
Not to mention the exotic animals they use for mounts.

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Hrrmmm... nice addition there Ultimuh.

[Ultimuh]

Just an attempt at humor. 
But yes, I kinda agree with that they should have happy thoughts for being safe.

[knutor]

I'd agree to this, if the SAFE thought was generated, as a thought generated as result of a dwarf being carried to the Hospital, after being injured in some mobility hampering way.  And just the opposite, if the dwarf was not carried to the Hospital, but left there in the field of battle, feeling UNSAFE.(This is already in the game. However it would be nice if it were magnified by individual dwarf attributes, instead of being a constant tic)

I'd include a SAFE thought for a dwarf who stored a personal item.

That SAFE thought should go to a female dwarf, who is in labor, who isn't on active duty.  And UNSAFE, who is on active duty.  A pregnant women can't feel too SAFE doing high impact PT, can she?  I can't see her climbing or repelling off a ROTC wall, can you?  She should be in the bedroom, nesting!  LOL.

As for just feeling safe for the sake of feeling safe.  Or seeing dangerous stuff from a distance, nah.  I oppose that, on principle.  It'd cause too many mood swings, in non ranged activities.  They already get lots of mastercrap happy thoughts, as it is, from seeing stuff. 

Something needs to be given to Hunters to compensate for their grass beds.  Maybe a one shot, one kill, thought.  HEH!  Sniper Glee!

Sincerely,  Knutor

[MrWiggles]

How would you define safe so a dwarf would know its safe?

How would you define illusionary safety?

[Ultimuh]

How would you define illusionary safety?

Dwarves hiding in a building with no roof.

[MrWiggles]

How would you define illusionary safety?

Dwarves hiding in a building with no roof.

Thats an empty definition. Whats a building? There is no roof, there only outside, and not outside. What if there a hostile creature in their with the dorf?

[Ultimuh]

How would you define illusionary safety?

Dwarves hiding in a building with no roof.

Thats an empty definition. Whats a building? There is no roof, there only outside, and not outside.

That just ruins my joke.. 

[Di]

The suggestion is very wrong.
No one is safe in dwarf fortress, unless sealed in 1x1 enclosure.

On the second thought, there could be some triggers to account for dwaf's illusion of being safe like:
"no civilian died this year"
"a goblin siege defeated with 10/1 kill/death ratio"
or even "that purple guy sounded true when he told we have nothing to fear"
This however brings us to slightly different suggestion of dwarves reacting to not so immediate happenings in the fort, like unsolved vampire crimes bringing panic and fear to the fort and so on.

[Sus]

And just the opposite, if the dwarf was not carried to the Hospital, but left there in the field of battle, feeling UNSAFE.

Injured dwarves left in the field have a tendency to go into tantrums anyhow, seeing as they'll be starving and dehydrating.
(Just had this happen to an axdorf with a spinal injury. Jerks left him out there to die.  )

But I guess "no ludicrous dwarf gibs for X days" could justify a happy Thought.

[zwei]

I suggested happy thoughts from defeating siege/ambush some time ago, this seems to relate to that.

Also, dwarf can consider his safety/nonsafety based on labors he has done (woodcutter/herbalist should feel unsafe if he is doing his job and no military is nearby, but stonecrafter who never left inner burrows should feel much safer.)

[knutor]

Sus,

Your right.  It is kinda pointless to have the opposite. 

What do you think about the Headshot thought?  Sniper Glee or something like it, maybe from a ceiling trap?  I certainly would feel a SAFE thought trespassing or traversing or traveling past a trap, and not having the trap spring.

I was playing another Roguelike, and whenever the ceiling rock trap went off, the adventurer would lose the explored region, and fog of war would reappear, as a result of the knock on the head, as a result of tripping the trap.  I thought that was a neat application.

Sincerely, Knutor