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Frumple

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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #75 on: April 27, 2012, 10:15:56 am »

Know of any running that both has a chance of taking a seat and isn't a horrifying ambomination on par with or worse than the major two? It's a fairly serious question, because I basically never hear anything about any of them.

I'm a bit politically isolated, but the dem/rep folks I at least hear the name of in passing occasionally :-\
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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #76 on: April 27, 2012, 10:23:13 am »

There's more than two parties!
True, but everyone except the duo get ignored most of the time and counted as detractors from votes from the dems or the reps.
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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #77 on: April 27, 2012, 10:25:29 am »

Are there any third parties not running on the big ego of an asshole just as bad as the other two, except with non substantive achievements behind them?

I know the green party in Maine is alright, actually, but I don't live there. And the national greens are less than useless, managing both crazy AND incompetent.
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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #78 on: April 27, 2012, 10:27:15 am »

Do as the Germans do and found a pirate party.
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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #79 on: April 27, 2012, 10:29:03 am »

Do as the Germans do and found a pirate party.
A pirate party.
In the same land where the MPAA/RIAA of ridiculous copyright thrashing about are in?
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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #80 on: April 27, 2012, 10:32:14 am »

Keep your friends close...
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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #81 on: April 27, 2012, 10:49:04 am »

Are there any third parties not running on the big ego of an asshole just as bad as the other two, except with non substantive achievements behind them?

I know the green party in Maine is alright, actually, but I don't live there. And the national greens are less than useless, managing both crazy AND incompetent.

There's also tons of independents, and they aren't all corporate libertarians.

All I'm really saying is that nothing would scare the big parties more than a resurgence of anyone and everyone else. There's no better way to say that what they've been doing is wrong than to vote for someone who's not either of them.
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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #82 on: April 27, 2012, 10:52:42 am »

I actually do tend to vote independent. And there have been quite a few local elections in which they've run.

Maybe I'll run for something myself, there's quite a few uncontested elections coming up...

Edit:
Here's my local guide, called "Don't stand there... Run!"

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/elepdf/candidates_guide_2012.pdf
« Last Edit: April 27, 2012, 10:54:50 am by GlyphGryph »
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Re: CISPA is still alive and got a lot worse o_o
« Reply #83 on: April 27, 2012, 11:06:49 am »

Gotta say that's a clever title.
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« Reply #84 on: April 27, 2012, 11:22:32 am »

The House acting on this was largely not expected which is why the administration came out hard and fast with a veto threat here. There has been extensive work and debate in the Senate over cybersecurity legislation, which is likely to be ongoing and shape the eventual bill. What happens next really depends on that Senate debate.

There are two main sections to the cybersecurity proposals. Information sharing and infrastructure regulation. This is long so I'll spoiler it for you all.

Spoiler: 2) Regulation (click to show/hide)
My summary;
The information sharing provisions are worrying even in their best form (Lieberman's Senate Democrat bill), primarily by creating effective warrantless wiretapping by sharing information with law enforcement agencies but with lesser problems in other areas. Most of this could be fixed with further input from civil liberties groups to pose a minimal risk to privacy, potentially, but I'm doubtful it will go as far as I'd like to see. The need for them is (IMO) fairly low, but they are the most likely way that congress will try to address cybersecurity and so I'd be willing to buy into them with strident protections. I'd also argue that certain areas (again, the law enforcement sharing) would be fourth amendment violations and actionable in federal court, so might not last that long if actually passed and used.

The regulatory provisions are an interesting and attractive idea to me, but unlikely to do all that much and of debatable value. The Republicans aren't going to allow this anyway, either in the Senate or House.

Looking at the politics of this, Obama seems to want the regulations badly enough to play chicken with the whole bill. This could potentially be a negotiating tool to get a minimally damaging (from a civil liberties point of view) version of the information sharing provisions passed. I don't doubt that the administration wants some form of cybersecurity power. Arguably they have some form already, but all previous references I'm aware of are in military authorisation legislation, and Obama wants this to be civilian (as do I).

My view;
Either massive improvements to the information sharing language are made or the whole thing should be dumped. Better to have an extended debate on regulation after the elections on the merits than a fist fight over civil liberties during the election season. Although it looks like we are going to get both.
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