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[GRead]

I have recently taken to ordering large amounts of drinks and empty barrels as a means of reducing my wood consumption, as they weigh much less than importing the wood itself.
So I have now noticed that, every time the traders come, they bring at least one or two barrels that are ludicrously overpriced. I would understand this if they were encrusted with rubies\studded with platinum\include other expensive decorations, but they do not.
For example: <*<<Willow>>*>
This is a well-crafted willow barrel. On the item is a finely-designed image of a Larch in marlin bone. On the item is a superiorly designed image of a human in fox leather. Value: 150 Asking Price: 2560. that's about a 1700% markup

I can only assume this is a bug, especially since the rest of the barrels are priced perfectly reasonably. I checked the barrel for contents, it was completely empty, nothing listed and did not respond to the enter key. There are also only one or two barrels marked up this way; they brought plenty of others which were valued and priced appropriately given our trade agreement.
In fact, at the moment, there is no trade agreement: the willow barrel above is being brought by the first human caravan to this fort.

It's not allot of harm, I just don't buy the overpriced barrels, but it doesn't seem to be working as intended, unless these barrels are secretly priceless heirlooms or something like that.

[SirPenguin]

The designs and quality add multiplies onto the base value, which, apparently, cause the price to fly up. I don't think it's a bug.

[GRead]

I was of the understanding that decorations added to the value listed when you inspect the item, which for this item was 150.

This is supported by another barrel that came in the next order; Decorated with platinum, rubies, and gold, this one was valued at 2500, and they asked 5000 for it. Given the trade agreement I had with them it was right in line.

If decorations do add an invisible increase to value, I would then have to report how out of line it is for a pair of bone decorations to add the same monies as a pair of precious gem\metal decorations, and *significantly* more if you look at it as a percentage of projected worth.

[Sean Mirrsen]

If you "order" barrels as a very high priority, and your broker's negotiations/whatever skill is too low, you will get ludicrously high prices for the goods you want.

[GRead]

just received a barrel, again first shipment from the humans, so there is no trade agreement in the works.

superior quality pine barrel. exceptional grizzly bone decoration. superior quality oak rings. superior image of a human and humans in two humped camel bone. Basic value: 310

they are asking 13430 for it.

for perspective, from the same trade, same trader

stack of 25 Iron bolts. fine two humped camel leather decoration. spikes of exceptional grizzly bone and exceptional chestnut. Basic value: 6750

they are asking 7000 for them.

I have no clue whats causing it, but I don't think this is my traders poor skills at work; it's not that they're marking all their items up, it's that a handful of specific items (I've noticed it most with barrels, but looking through the order there are a couple other items valued ridiculously high vs. their base price) are coming up in the trade screen as worth ridiculously more than their base value, often costing more than items that are both worth more base and decorated more extensively, regardless of my trade agreements. It is also worth noting that I receive other barrels from them, decorated, that are not marked up in this manner.

also in this order of especial note
a wellcrafted iron flute and piccolo, both with exceptional decorations. the piccolo is going for 13400, the flute 240. the only difference between the two is the piccolo is a wolf leather decoration and the flute is a cedar decoration. I guess piccolos are an especially rare and valuable commodity these days? I'm not sure, but I think we'll be making our own in this fort if we really need them.

[Sean Mirrsen]

I'll just clarify - you ARE purchasing empty barrels, not barrels full of stuff? I mean I never encountered anything of the kind before...

Maybe you just get a barrel filled with a carpload of invisible items? Like larges, but with no name?

[GreyMario]

Nope.

If that were the case, the barrels would be labeled with what's in them, i.e. (Dwarven wine Barrel (Tower-cap)).

It's just the decoration multipliers.

[Deon]

quote:superior quality pine barrel. exceptional grizzly bone decoration. superior quality oak rings. superior image of a human and humans in two humped camel bone. Basic value: 310

they are asking 13430 for it.

quote: was of the understanding that decorations added to the value

No, they don't add. They MULTIPLY.
I.E. if you have some gem decorations with ruby, you'll get your basic price multiplied x40. Don't forget about quality levels.

It's intended.

[GRead]

quote:Originally posted by Deon:
<STRONG>

No, they don't add. They MULTIPLY.
I.E. if you have some gem decorations with ruby, you'll get your basic price multiplied x40. Don't forget about quality levels.

It's intended.</STRONG>

quote:Originally posted by GRead:
<STRONG>for perspective, from the same trade, same trader

stack of 25 Iron bolts. fine two humped camel leather decoration. spikes of exceptional grizzly bone and exceptional chestnut. Basic value: 6750

they are asking 7000 for them.</STRONG>

So they'll inflate the price of the barrel thousands beyond its basic value because of decorations, but they'll only add 250 to the bolts?

I feel like no ones actually listening to the report: the trouble isn't decorations being worth allot. The problem is that there are always a couple of items worth *WAY* more than the other items decorated almost identically. It's not that the decorated item is worth a boatload, it's that two decorated items, side-by-side, are way out of line. See the piccolo and flute. They are virtually identical, yet one was 13400 and the other 240. If it was the decorations, they should both be going for massive quantities. Same deal with the barrels; a barrel with a couple of bone decorations should not be going for ten thousand while a suit of steel plate with a couple gem decorations is only going for seven thousand. and yes, I have been keeping the quality of the decorations in mind. They really don't line up.

[ May 02, 2008: Message edited by: GRead ]

[penguinofhonor]

Decorations do not multiply, they add. They only multiply for arrows because they add the price of the decoration per arrow (known exploit).

And they add to the base value. If they didn't, then all barrels would be worth 10, times the quality of the barrel for a value up to 100 for masterpieces.

This is a glitch.

[Shanba]

Do you have a save file?

[Boethiah]

Also those piccolos probably costed more than the flute because they traders probably requested them for 200% of the price in the trade agreement.

[Derakon]

quote:Originally posted by Boethiah:
<STRONG>Also those piccolos probably costed more than the flute because they traders probably requested them for 200% of the price in the trade agreement.</STRONG>

I don't know what kind of math you're using, but my math says that 13400 is not 240 * 2.

[GRead]

quote:Originally posted by Boethiah:
<STRONG>Also those piccolos probably costed more than the flute because they traders probably requested them for 200% of the price in the trade agreement.</STRONG>

quote:Originally posted by GRead:
<STRONG>just received a barrel, again first shipment from the humans, so there is no trade agreement in the works.
<snip>
also in this order of especial note</STRONG>

This was the first shipment of the game; there were no trade agreements.

and, as Derakon notes, 13400 is not 200% of 240. it's actually closer to the range of 5500%.
I'll see about the save, I should have one around, but I'm not sure where to put it up

[Fedor]

quote:Originally posted by GRead:
<STRONG>I feel like no ones actually listening to the report: the trouble isn't decorations being worth allot. The problem is that there are always a couple of items worth *WAY* more than the other items decorated almost identically. </STRONG>

I agree.  The responses you've been getting do not address the examples you are giving.

I DO understand your point.  I have also noticed odd asking prices for decorated items (not just arrows but furniture as well).  

Suggestion: Send a screenshot or screenshots to ToadyOne with an example of a reasonable markup and an unreasonable one, clearly viewable so he can immediately see the oddity.  Give him a link to the savefile (just in case he wants it).

quote:Originally posted by GRead:
<STRONG>I'll see about the save, I should have one around, but I'm not sure where to put it up</STRONG>

Here is a good place.

[ May 04, 2008: Message edited by: Fedor ]