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[kaijyuu]

So, unless you're trying to have sex with them, what's so difficult about following their wishes about what they wish to be referred to?


I have a person vendetta against euphemisms, but I'll use them around people who I know would be unreasonable if I didn't. Why? Because it's not a big deal. We've already established that their gender means mostly squat outside of sex, so is it worth it to make a big deal about what you call them? If you insist on not considering them of the gender they consider themselves, you could at least be courteous, swallow your pride, and humour them.

[Bohandas]

So, unless you're trying to have sex with them, what's so difficult about following their wishes about what they wish to be referred to?


I have a person vendetta against euphemisms, but I'll use them around people who I know would be unreasonable if I didn't. Why? Because it's not a big deal. We've already established that their gender means mostly squat outside of sex, so is it worth it to make a big deal about what you call them? If you insist on not considering them of the gender they consider themselves, you could at least be courteous, swallow your pride, and humour them.

I do believe that humoring them is required by courtesy. Not because I believe what they believe but because I respect their right to have beliefs that differ from my own.

[kaijyuu]

Right then. No more objections from me.

Carry on~

[Doomchild-]

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so, because they dont fit your description (or any describtion you wish to quote) you'll refuse to consider them the sex they believe themselves to be? so what you're saying is, that dispite all they've gone through physically and mentally, all the time and money they spent on counceling and surgery, that when they're finally at ease with themselves, you'll deny everything, basically telling them it's all been for nothing and blaming them for having the nerve to ask you to consider them to be different than they were before?
then i ask you, who's causing who the most discomfort here?

it's nothing like someone forcing their religious beliefs on you, it's actually the other way around, they converted and now want you to not force your beliefs on them.

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meh, conversation outpaced my typing, disregard the spoiler, i'll just leave it here because it seemed fitting at the time.

[Pnx]

Personally I find the whole gender issue kind of silly, people shouldn't need to swap their gender to put it in line with who they are.
On a more mental level, I can understand. I've always felt that guys get the short end of the stick, and if I was given the choice I'd much rather be born a girl.
If there were a "magic wand" I might just choose to use it, but I can honestly live with being a guy. Despite all the social constraints I don't think my gender defines me that much.

The whole biological imperative thing has always struck me as being a little... odd. I suppose it's a sex thing?
I don't really understand how that works, but I'm pretty sure that's probably just me.

I think I have very... odd feelings when it comes sex, gender, and sexuality. I don't think I approach it the same way everyone else does, so I can't shake the feeling I'm missing some part of the picture here. I have a lot of mixed feelings on the issue. I can understand how people get freaked out about transgenders, the first time I found out about hormone therapy, gender reassignment surgery etc. I freaked the fuck out, I mean, "People do these things?"
I was only about 15, just discovering sex, and had always thought that "boys are boys, and girls are girls, and that's the end of that". So I think it's fair to say that was a natural reaction, I think for a few weeks I was a bit traumatised (something I find rather funny), but I came around to the idea once I had some time to think about it.

So that lead up to my current attitude. I don't really understand exactly the mentality behind it, but frankly, if you want to swap sides, go for it. I don't really mind all that much, and I have to admit I respect people who are willing to go through all the grief it entails.
I think the only reason some people are afraid of transexualism is because sex is a very personal issue for most people, and transexualism adds a third axis onto the sexuality issue (the first being male/female the second being homosexual/heterosexual). For people raised with a traditional view of sexuality it must stand that view on it's head. I don't think people really know how to deal with it, and people are afraid of things they don't understand and can't get a handle on (consult Star Wars for the effects of fear).

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I think that's the end of my rant.

[G-Flex]

I don't see any reason go give gonads preference.

I suppose it's because of my background in biological science. Scientifically this is how the sexes are defined. In the Bluegill Sunfish, some males look and act like females, for all we know they may even think they are, but they are nonetheless considered male.

Please recognize the difference between (biological) sex and gender when it concerns people who are transsexual/transgender. Things will probably make more sense to you once you start doing so.

[chaoticag]

I think this topic has gone on quite a bit of a tangent, and whether or not people ought to consider transsexuals as their preferred sex ought to be another topic here. It just clutters this one.

Back on topic though, I do actually currently live in a place where acting certain ways is frowned upon at best (don't bother looking at my profile location, haven't updated that and I find it a pain to update). While it'd be really nice to be able to be open about my religious beliefs, it can possibly get me killed. I prolly posted stuff to that effect about ten times already. However, I do plan on moving away from here and being open with my parents... once I no longer depend on them financially, and once I'm out of this country. Not quite sure what our version of sharia has to say about renouncing god.

[Aqizzar]

Hey guys, what's going on in this

I don't see any reason go give gonads preference. What gender do you assign to a eunuch?

Ooooookay.

I have absolutely nothing to reply to the OP with.  Totally outside my realm of experience, and I live in a gay neighborhood ("the gayborhood" for uninitiated).  The only thing I can think of that I can't do in my area is walk around without a shirt on (as a man), and that pretty well shuts the door to a lot of other stuff I would think.

[RedKing]

The only thing I can think of that I can't do in my area is walk around without a shirt on (as a man)

You can't?? Jesus, I need to move there. The preferred uniform for mowing your lawn around here is "Bermuda shorts and NOTHING ELSE. Apply 55 gallon drum of sweat to fat rolls for maximal effect." Bonus points if you can actually use your gut as a beer coaster while you're on the tractor.