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C0NNULL

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Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« on: September 07, 2011, 10:31:06 pm »

So I've been running this fort on a volcano for quite a while and while the mayor, Rakust, was a prick, I ignored her. A few cap hopper requests failed of course but she would punish to death no one important. (I have a 20 cell jail, but I never designated it as such, so no justice.)

When she makes yet another request for more cap hopper somethings, she is replaced by Reg, who was a fisher, but pretty cool. I swapped bedrooms and such between the two and wiped my hands clean of the affair.

The planter, Rakust almost instantly rose back to mayor. This bothers me and I contemplate various places she may get burrowed with blue or red ~s, but I decide to un-elect her a second time. Praise to Armok, it sticks. I do notice that her mandate for impossible is still there, but I ignore it as she is again a planter who seems not to be bothered by her 2x demotion while happily planting seeds.

When the mandate failed, my legendary +5 axedwarf destroyed the offending legendary +1? axedwarf. Shouldn't matter as I don't have lots of friendships, and surely not in my squads. But I learned that those mandates linger and remain enforceable.


The moral of the story is that peacefully removing those that mandate is just the incorrect thing to do. (Should have gone with my gut.)
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The cat, Anom, approves of Scamps' methods. She admires fine scars on her human's body. She purrs in a method most disturbing. She thinks Scamps needs to train the human better. She rolls on the floor in a luxurious pile of catnip. She attacks her human lightly.
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Re: Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2011, 10:38:33 pm »

The way you should normally do it is pull the lever, or send the mayor in an all-expense paid trip to the circus. All joking aside, a interesting and useful find. Now to weaponise it...
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Re: Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2011, 10:55:24 pm »

Okay,  We're Dwarves,  we weaponize Steel, Bronze, Stone, Water, Magma, Dogs, Cats, Ghosts, Children, Llamas, Badgers, Bees, Booze, Forgotten Beast snot, Training spears, Structual Supports, Elves, Elephants, Angry Titans, Bridges, Silk, and misclaneous goblin bodyparts.   But come on  weaponizing a Mandate????
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Re: Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2011, 10:58:11 pm »

Dwarven justice has no statute of limitation - punishment is never forgotten, only postponed.  I had my first mayor's first failed mandate given justice like 10 years after the mayor had died in a horrible and definitely definitely accidental troglodyte accident.

As for weaponization, the only thing that comes to mind is using this to kill a dwarf, having that dwarf's friend go berzerk, and having that berzerk dwarf kill a noble.

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Re: Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 12:55:58 am »

Dwarven justice has no statute of limitation - punishment is never forgotten, only postponed.  I had my first mayor's first failed mandate given justice like 10 years after the mayor had died in a horrible and definitely definitely accidental troglodyte accident.

Actually, I think I've definitely seen it in my last fortress. I recall seeing thoughts like: "Urist McTantrumtime was pleased to have punishment reduced (?)" or "postponed". I'll probably have find a way to reproduce this.  ???
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Re: Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2011, 12:59:37 am »

Dwarven justice has no statute of limitation - punishment is never forgotten, only postponed.  I had my first mayor's first failed mandate given justice like 10 years after the mayor had died in a horrible and definitely definitely accidental troglodyte accident.

Actually, I think I've definitely seen it in my last fortress. I recall seeing thoughts like: "Urist McTantrumtime was pleased to have punishment reduced (?)" or "postponed". I'll probably have find a way to reproduce this.  ???
I think you misread. She said they can be postponed.
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Re: Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 02:41:48 am »

Girlinhat's a girl!??!?! \0O0/

*reads name*

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Re: Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 03:51:58 am »

*strokes her double-braided beard*

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Re: Something I learned about ex-mayors and mandates
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2011, 04:43:18 am »

Well, I imagine that the moment you get a mandate you could change mayors. And hope the new mayor mandates something quickly so that you can replace her. And so on. Depending on how fast your mayors make demands, one could stack up quite a few mandates. With a count, as I have, there are 2 more you can fail.

Then, random dwarves in your population will get slated for removal. Maybe U. McFisher, maybe U. McHammerlord. Of course each ex-mayor could get a special room, as well. Let Armok decide who goes, leave me out of it. (Except for the picking of the mayors - I can do that just fine.)

O wait. By weaponize you mean turning this against our enemies... Well, a good case can be made that nobles ARE our enemies, so I sorta weaponized it.



This very fort had a lass that escaped punishment for near a decade - a fact that made her ecstatic. I almost appointed her to the position of sheriff, but I forgot to and by the time I remembered we were a Mountainhome and for CoG I had a marksdwarf I wished to use. So well.

I knew mandates wouldn't end on the death of the demand-er, but I had to see whether or not the mandate would stay if said demand-er had no title.
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The cat, Anom, approves of Scamps' methods. She admires fine scars on her human's body. She purrs in a method most disturbing. She thinks Scamps needs to train the human better. She rolls on the floor in a luxurious pile of catnip. She attacks her human lightly.
Rimamused  -  Dorfen Itza