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[IT 000]

Well I just noticed a batch of new personality traits in the wiki(located at the bottom). Technically they are not new, but they are ALCOHOL_DEPENDENT, CAVE_ADAPT, and DETACHMENT.

So a few questions, if I make a dwarf
   [PERSONALITY:ALCOHOL_DEPENDENT:10:10:10] would this make the dwarf constantly alcohol deprived? Or will it just reset when they have a drink?
        Likewise with CAVE_ADAPT, would [PERSONALITY:CAVE_ADAPT:100:100:100] make the person constantly sick? Or will the effects wear off as normal?

[darkflagrance]

I think these traits aren't spectra like the other personality traits where a dwarf's personality is set at birth, but more like meters that build up or decrease over time.

So what you're proposing probably will not work.

[IT 000]

*** Error(s) found in the file "raw/objects/creature_standard.txt"
Unrecognized Personality Facet Token: CAVE_ADAPT

Hmm... guess the game doesn't recognize them as personalities. What are they doing on the Personality section on the wiki?

[Deon]

They are probably on break.

[darkflagrance]

I don't think they should be there either, as it is confusing, but at least it clearly shows that they function on a scale (I used to think they were more binary until I read that page). Furthermore, the description text for these traits appears in the same text space as personality traits, so they are connected in being attributes of the dwarf's mindset, though they function completely differently from other personality traits.

[Deon]

How could they be binary if the dwarves' descriptions always change from one end to another through many states as they stay indoors longer? Or do you mean you didn't notice that?

P.S. If they would be named "cave adaptation" instead of "CAVE_ADAPT" and "alcohol dependence" instead of "ALCOHOL_DEPENDENT", it would be fine. Right now they use the names of actual creature tokens, which is at least mildly confusing and should be changed ASAP.

[Kilumanjaro]

hmm...  I would actually love an Alcohol Dependent personality trait, settable in a range by creature like the others...
Would make my non-alcoholic civs a little more interesting. You would need both alcohol and water to keep them happy.

[Deon]

There's not such thing as "alcohol dependency range", you are either alcoholic or not .

[IT 000]

Well I was hoping for a 'Drunk' caste who was naturally alcohol deprived and thus worked slower and with less quality then the other guys.

Likewise, the CAVE_ADAPT would come in handy for a sick caste who would vomit everywhere.

[Greiger]

Well my own custom race isn't alcohol dependent, but if I give them nothing but booze for years at a time they become so.  So there must be some kind of variable that slowly builds up someplace that determines whether something is an alcoholic or not.

[Jeoshua]

The reason they're listed under personality traits is that they show up in the same list as personality traits.

"He is moved to pity by suffering.  He is hardened.  He needs alcohol to get through the working day."

But by that logic, the mannerisms should be on that list too.

[CaptainArchmage]

[ALCOHOL_DEPENDENT] gives the creature a number determining how much this effects the. The number starts out at 100 after a drink (I think), and then decreases over time. The wiki says that after long enough the dwarves can go insane, though it hasn't yet been confirmed whether this is a consequence of unhappiness, or whether an ecstatic dwarf will go insane from not having alcohol for a few years (a test has been devised for this by keeping dwarves in a burrow not containing any booze indefinitely).

[Necro910]

[ALCOHOL_DEPENDENT] gives the creature a number determining how much this effects the. The number starts out at 100 after a drink (I think), and then decreases over time. The wiki says that after long enough the dwarves can go insane, though it hasn't yet been confirmed whether this is a consequence of unhappiness, or whether an ecstatic dwarf will go insane from not having alcohol for a few years (a test has been devised for this by keeping dwarves in a burrow not containing any booze indefinitely).

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[Quietust]

They aren't personality traits at all - personality traits are determined at birth and do not change.

If anything, they're just special attributes (since they change based on behavior), so they technically don't belong on that page at all; thus, I've moved the "detachment" (really "psychological trauma") to the bottom of the Attribute page, added a note about alcohol withdrawal to the Booze page (it's actually a straight timer comparison - 3 months per stage of withdrawal), and removed cave adaptation entirely.