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TheBeardyMan

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In real life, the porosity of unglazed earthenware vessels in combination with evaporation is used to keep drinks cold. If a dwarf seeking a drink has access to an unglazed earthenware mug, they should use it to keep the drink cold, and the drink should be perceived as higher quality.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2011, 04:49:19 pm »

neat idea, but we need dwarves to use mugs at all first :)
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 04:53:47 pm »

And we need dorf fridges made from Towercaps (is it them?)
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 04:58:42 pm »

And we need dorf fridges made from Towercaps (is it them?)
You're thinking of Nethercaps.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 05:17:58 pm »

Not all drinks are served cold, and I don't think a porous mug would make a truly appreciable difference.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 05:32:40 pm »

And we need dorf fridges made from Towercaps (is it them?)
You're thinking of Nethercaps.
A simpler and more realistic option would be for the temperature of the room in which the drink is kept to have an effect, and for depth and proximity to water etc to affect said temperature.

And there should also be a point where certain types of alcohol become too cold, such as ale or some kinds of wine.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 05:57:10 pm »

In real life, the porosity of unglazed earthenware vessels in combination with evaporation is used to keep drinks cold.

Any sources on this?  I found references to evaporative cooling of water, but nothing about alcoholic beverages.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2011, 11:30:47 pm »

The principal of evaporation is the same for ethanol as it is for water. Anyway, beer is mostly water.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2011, 11:56:48 pm »

The principal of evaporation is the same for ethanol as it is for water. Anyway, beer is mostly water.

Obviously it would work in theory.  I'm asking for evidence that people actually used it preferentially for that purpose.  Earthenware also has drawbacks -- it retains fluid and particles that would probably get real funky after a while.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2011, 02:07:05 am »

Footkerchief brings up a point I was too lazy to press on my own:  if we're dealing with high-quality booze, the flavor would need to be precision.  Even some co-mingling of a previous drink, or worse, unwanted fungus or germ buildup, even in minute amounts, would cause the flavor to be ruined.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2011, 02:48:24 am »

Yes, because you wouldn't want there to be any fungus in your plump helmet booze... ;)
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2011, 02:52:45 am »

As a hobbyist brewer, I know that there are good yeasts and bad yeasts.  S'why I said 'unwanted' fungus.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2011, 03:36:40 pm »

In real life, the porosity of unglazed earthenware vessels in combination with evaporation is used to keep drinks cold. If a dwarf seeking a drink has access to an unglazed earthenware mug, they should use it to keep the drink cold, and the drink should be perceived as higher quality.

The relative merits of warm vs. cold drinks aside, this sounds like a discoverability problem. How am I supposed to figure out that not glazing my mugs improves the quality of the drink? Especially since glazing, like all decorations, always improves the quality of the item it's applied to? Am I expected to balance the improved experience due to the dwarf getting to use a well-decorated mug against the improved quality of the drink from a plain mug? The dwarf will have the same thought ("...enjoyed a decent/fine/excellent/whatever drink recently") either way, and there's no way to directly see how many morale points that's worth, or even what kind of booze they drank from which vessel.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2011, 04:01:21 pm »

Drying clay only cools while drying.
Take note: your getting mud in the booze.
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Re: Unglazed earthenware mugs should improve perceived quality of booze
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2011, 10:36:38 pm »

Drying clay only cools while drying.
Take note: your getting mud in the booze.
Not... what's being referred to here. Earthenware is a hard, fired clay. It doesn't melt when wet; it's chemical makeup was changed by the firing and it has become fully rigid. Problem is, it has tiny, microscopic holes in it that water can seep out of. The point being brought up here is that if you drink out of an earthenware mug the small quantity of water that bleeds out of it then evaporates, cooling the whole cup by a small amount and presumably making it more palatable.

If you ask me, it isn't really a big deal. It's a really small detail and the gameplay implications would be kind of annoying to deal with. Also I'd rather just make gold mugs anyways.
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