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Author Topic: Not-So-Beginner Mafia: Panda Edition [Evening 2, Town Almost-Flawless Victory]  (Read 39111 times)

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Shit. That was my first time as scum. Other than everything, what should I try to do better next time?
Don't use bad arguments. You didn't seem like you actually believed those arguments, either. Ask yourself if you'd be making this same argument as Town.
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Shit. That was my first time as scum. Other than everything, what should I try to do better next time?

Look at my arguments against yours, and then never do that again >_>
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Re: Not-So-Beginner Mafia: Panda Edition [Day 1, 9/9]
« Reply #272 on: April 02, 2011, 05:45:39 am »

Saint has drawn my attention for the above post. How many times must you be told that good scumhunting isn't a scumtell?!?!?!?!

As well for a general sense of passivity.
Don't do this.  It transparently linked you to SaintDraze.
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Re: Not-So-Beginner Mafia: Panda Edition [Day 1, 9/9]
« Reply #273 on: April 02, 2011, 08:22:11 am »

Saint has drawn my attention for the above post. How many times must you be told that good scumhunting isn't a scumtell?!?!?!?!

As well for a general sense of passivity.
Don't do this.  It transparently linked you to SaintDraze.
? I'm not seeing it as anything other than hindsight biased. Sure, we see the connection now, but we didn't see it then. We should be looking for stuff we saw then, not stuff we see now.

It IS a scumtell to vote someone and FoS your partner, but that's the sort of WIFOM that doesn't matter.

So, Zrk2, the only thing I can say is maybe push it further. Remember that you have to treat your partner the same way you treat anyone else, which is also the same way you would treat everyone else as Town: How that is is up to you, though. I tend to be fairly hostile toward everyone, while protecting the people I believe are Town. I'll go out of my way to protect them. This is tougher to do as scum, since I get a different mindset, so I'll think extremely critically about who to protect, but I'll be afraid that I'm buddying at the same time. So the key is to balance those two personas.
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If your arguments are copy pastes of someone else's, it's a strong sign you're not really hunting.  Even if you attack the same person as someone else with similar arguments, take the time to distinguish it with a different set of points.

If you're my scumbuddy, you have no protection from my hunting.  I will freely call you on scummy things you do, though I may ignore the occasional slight scumtell.  See Twitter Mafia (D2/3) and Bastard Paranormal (D2) for examples of me doing this.
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What if all your points have already been covered? Then your only choice is whether you want to be accused of parroting or being called out on not scumhunting.


Because, that happens to me a lot.
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What if all your points have already been covered? Then your only choice is whether you want to be accused of parroting or being called out on not scumhunting.


Because, that happens to me a lot.
Well... Then it's tough.

For one, DON'T EVER SAY THAT YOU ARE PARROTING OR THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE YOU ARE PARROTING OR NOT SCUMHUNTING. I know you say that a lot, and it's the STUPIDEST thing to say. It's like you're serving your own miniature dishes of WIFOM and then heap on extra.

If you are agreeing with people, then say that. It's okay to agree with people, since, surprisingly, that's WHY you're trying to show people are scum. If you agree, then say WHY you agree. Here's a good explanation.

Person A has said Person B has avoided questions repeatedly and refused to take a firm stance on everyone. You look at the evidence and conclude that Person A was right, because in post A, B, and C, he acknowledges these questions but never answers them, and in Posts D and E, he has been wishy-washy on who he suspects, followed by his never having voted for anyone.

While this seems like it might be parroting, it's not. You are using the same reasons, yes, but you are supplementing your support for these reasons with your own. Heck, if Person B is being suspicious enough, there might not even need to be reasoning. Just say: "Person B, you are being incredible suspicious and have no reason to be." If you think that you are justified in doing so, DO SO.

The point is that if you feel like you are parroting, then MAKE IT SO YOU NO LONGER FEEL LIKE THAT. Don't SAY you're not parroting unless someone says you are - unless you feel like making your own arguments against yourself. The point is to show how other people are suspicious, not yourself.
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Welp I pretty much failed...
I am sorry I scum lost so soon pandar, the flavour was the shiznit!
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Welp I pretty much failed...
I am sorry I scum lost so soon pandar, the flavour was the shiznit!

Any reason you disappeared after some votes?
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Re: Not-So-Beginner Mafia: Panda Edition [Day 1, 9/9]
« Reply #280 on: April 02, 2011, 02:02:34 pm »

? I'm not seeing it as anything other than hindsight biased. Sure, we see the connection now, but we didn't see it then. We should be looking for stuff we saw then, not stuff we see now.
I guess I only saw it after Zrk2 was lynched.  But it's still risky to do stuff like that - it means if you are lynched, your partner will have a much worse chance than they would otherwise.

SaintDraze's last minute bussing was way more noticable, though, so it got kindof overshadowed.
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Re: Not-So-Beginner Mafia: Panda Edition [Day 1, 9/9]
« Reply #281 on: April 02, 2011, 02:26:22 pm »

? I'm not seeing it as anything other than hindsight biased. Sure, we see the connection now, but we didn't see it then. We should be looking for stuff we saw then, not stuff we see now.
I guess I only saw it after Zrk2 was lynched.  But it's still risky to do stuff like that - it means if you are lynched, your partner will have a much worse chance than they would otherwise.

SaintDraze's last minute bussing was way more noticable, though, so it got kindof overshadowed.
The bussing was noticeable. It was a factor in voting him.
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