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Shrugging Khan

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Kobold Civilization
« on: November 30, 2010, 06:25:11 pm »
Kobold Civilizations: What do they require to thrive, and to persist for 1050 years?

I really want some kobold traders, but they never survive past the first 50 years...and in 50 years, there's just not enough time for civilizations to acquire cool trading goods.

Wat do? I want the bolds.
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 06:37:09 pm »
In Vanilla though they are incapable of trading.  While they may form civilizations, they cannot trade.  The only ones who send out caravans are Elves, Dwarves, Humans and Goblins- the others would have to have their raws edited in order to allow it (it's a simple process, I believe).
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2010, 06:41:10 pm »
NOOOOOEZ.

But they *are* a civlisation...sniff...
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2010, 06:44:55 pm »
You should go grab the Kobold mod then.
Although that only makes them a playable civilization, and they only trade among themselves. Everyone else wants 'em dead. Would require some ethic-changing and removing of item thievery from their entity-file to make other races show up to trade with 'em.
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2010, 06:49:42 pm »
Alright, I'm giving up on my dream of pan-cavedweller trade relations.

I was basically just pissed because my latest beautiful world gen was perfect *except* for the dead k-bold civ  >:(
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2010, 07:58:07 pm »
Kutebolds should trade, but not actually understand how it works. The will bring you rocks and metal for free, and then steal whatever you make with them.
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2010, 08:57:43 pm »
Quote from: squeakyReaper on November 30, 2010, 06:37:09 pm
In Vanilla though they are incapable of trading.  While they may form civilizations, they cannot trade.  The only ones who send out caravans are Elves, Dwarves, Humans and Goblins- the others would have to have their raws edited in order to allow it (it's a simple process, I believe).

What?

HOW?
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2010, 10:19:09 pm »
Quote from: Double A on November 30, 2010, 08:57:43 pm
Quote from: squeakyReaper on November 30, 2010, 06:37:09 pm
In Vanilla though they are incapable of trading.  While they may form civilizations, they cannot trade.  The only ones who send out caravans are Elves, Dwarves, Humans and Goblins- the others would have to have their raws edited in order to allow it (it's a simple process, I believe).

What?

HOW?

AFAIK, it happens very rarely, given quirky worldgen settings and a very early stop. They bring lots of meat and leather. I am mildly surprised to see that this information is not reflected on the wiki.
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2010, 10:29:14 pm »
I mean, I read about it for .40d, but since it wasn't in the 2010 article I thought Toady removed it due to bugs.

But... THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.

Now I get to strike the first blow at the goblins! HAHAHAHA!
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 04:02:10 am »
Goblins don't trade with people that don't like, HOWEVER they don't just straight out hate everybody. There is nothing in the raws to generate instant hostility. Rather it works by rolling relation status when two civilizations meet based on there ethics, SO if you end world gen VERY early then you might get in before the closest goblin civ decides it doesn't like your dwarf civ. Even though they usually just decide they hate you from the first time they see you, not always.

This does beg an interesting question though. Weren't civs meant to continue development during game play now? So therefor you could be trading with a goblin civ for a year or two before hostility starts.
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 05:01:11 am »
Goblin trading was 40d. Goblins don't even trade among themselves in this version if you don't mod them to have some kind of pack-animal.
Same for Kobolds.
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 05:08:52 am »
I recall that hostile civ's trade with other hostile civ's who go along the same route of evil behavior that they do.
Like goblins will trade with other hostile civ's who kidnap babies and/or steal items. Also I think the goblin trading was what happened when war broke out between dwarves and goblins early on, and the dwarves managed to win and take over the goblin civ. Can't see why it couldn't happen now too, unless it was taken out, although they just need a pack-animal mention in order to trade with others.

Also to the hostility thing two posts above: All it takes is one BABYSNATCHER or ITEMTHIEF tag on the entity files to turn the race which has that into hostile. They won't like other races, and the other races won't like them either.
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Re: Kobold Civilization
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 03:58:56 pm »
Quote from: Glanzor on December 01, 2010, 05:01:11 am
Goblin trading was 40d. Goblins don't even trade among themselves in this version if you don't mod them to have some kind of pack-animal.
Same for Kobolds.
Ah, darn.  I could have sworn they still traded, but I haven't personally experienced it.  I just know in the Catmod (which doesn't mod Goblins in anyways) the Goblins try to trade with you because of your aligned ethics.  The Catmod is, however, a 40d entity.
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