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Lormax

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Vertical bars question
« on: October 21, 2010, 10:54:31 am »

Can vertical bars be used to hold things up, say a statue and such?
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Astramancer

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Re: Vertical bars question
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 11:01:15 am »

you mean like building the statue a zlevel above the upright bars?

In that case... no.

Supports, walls and stairs are the only things you can build that provide support.  It will let you try to build a floor off of bridge, but (unless there's a support below it), you'll just end up causing a cavein, and possibly sucking the mason down to a gory death.
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Lormax

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Re: Vertical bars question
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2010, 11:12:25 am »

Can a Support (not wall/stair) give support to something above and next to? 
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S is the statue.   . is open space.   | is the support.
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Lormax

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Re: Vertical bars question
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2010, 11:12:53 am »

Also, does water flow through supports?
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Re: Vertical bars question
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2010, 11:36:15 am »

I'm pretty sure the answer to both your questions is yes.
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Re: Vertical bars question
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 11:38:27 am »

Can a Support (not wall/stair) give support to something above and next to? 
A Statue can't be built over open space anyway, so this won't work.  You'd need to build a floor, then place the statue.  I don't think you can place a floor next to a support without first building a floor on the support, but I am not certain of this.

Also, does water flow through supports?
Yes.  Supports do not block the flow of liquids or the passage of creatures.
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Re: Vertical bars question
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 06:27:52 pm »

Out of curiosity, how many spaces does a support... well... support?

I placed a bunch of them 10 spaces apart since I couldn't find how many space a single support holds up.
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Re: Vertical bars question
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 07:02:30 pm »

Support (in terms of 'will this cave in?') is binary - either it's there, or it's not.  Currently, there are no cave-ins based on how far apart support is.

So a single support made of cork can support the entirety of solid stone on the entire map, even on a 10x10 embark with 500 zlevels.

What does provide support:  Floors, Walls, and stairs - but only from cardinal positions.  constructed supports provide Support to anything directly above it.  Walls provide support directly above, as well as the cardinal positions above it (since it provides a floor on the zlevel above)

But if you build on a diagonal without a support under it, it will collapse.  If you build on a cardinal from something which doesn't provide support (i.e. just about everything, like floor grates, floor hatches, ect), it will collapse.

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doesn't work because a) you can't build a statue on empty space, you'd have to build a floor there, and b) if you tried to build a floor there without first building a floor directly above the support, the newly constructed floor would collapse immediately upon completion (with potentially disastrous fun results).

Similarly, if you want to build a very tall column of supports, you would have to build a floor on each zlevel, simply because you cannot build a support over open air (which the top of a support is - it doesn't provide the floor above like a wall does)
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